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Post by Feng on May 4, 2019 10:04:48 GMT 11
Could it be a supply issue now that more Leafs are getting old and they only have limited production capacity to make 24kWh batteries? I reckon unless you have an urgent need for the range it's nice to get a few more months out of your old pack. Squeeze out a little more life out of it before it's replaced. Also, at least shipping is better for the environment than air freight.
Not to boast but it'll be like a breath of fresh air when you get your new pack. In about 1.4 years and 37,000km I've only lost around 5% capacity. I'm okay with that.
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Post by empowerrepower on May 4, 2019 17:27:51 GMT 11
Just got another call they said sorry but they’ve just been advised it could be upto 5 months as they are manufactured from scratch in Japan and shipped not freighted... he did say realistically it’s probably going to be around 1-2 months wait for the battery. I got a quote for a replacement battery about a year ago, at which time I was told that the batteries were not stocked in Australia and would be ordered from Japan. The approximate wait was 3-6 weeks. I think you should reasonably expect the same. I can't imagine why Japan would have none warehoused. Odd, Caroline has been told up to 5 months, and bje has been told 3-6 weeks. I've been waiting for a battery under warranty replacement since December, and they said that they were made in the US, not Japan. The 3-6 weeks wait sounds very unlikely, not something that would have been the case if you'd proceeded with a replacement. The replacements I've heard of have taken months, and at Nissan Moorooka the batteries ordered in November arrived in April, and mine might arrive in May, fingers crossed. Other parts for these cars can also take months to arrive. I was also told that the battery casing was made here and then shipped to the US for the battery cells to be installed, so not a fast process. Nissan Moorooka has actually done a number of battery replacements (probably due to Qld heat), whereas not every dealer may have, so whatever they say doesn't come from experience.
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Post by empowerrepower on May 4, 2019 17:33:25 GMT 11
Could it be a supply issue now that more Leafs are getting old and they only have limited production capacity to make 24kWh batteries? I reckon unless you have an urgent need for the range it's nice to get a few more months out of your old pack. Squeeze out a little more life out of it before it's replaced. Also, at least shipping is better for the environment than air freight. Not to boast but it'll be like a breath of fresh air when you get your new pack. In about 1.4 years and 37,000km I've only lost around 5% capacity. I'm okay with that. A question for you Feng... before you had your old battery replaced and it was down 4 bars, did you notice the regen deteriorating? We feel that ours is, and the other day the trip computer told me that I'd been using .2 kwH per km, and I've never had such a bad result over 5 trips, and it hadn't been hilly driving. (Usually come between 1.4 and 1.6) If the regen is deteriorating further, that might account for such high energy use. What do you think?
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Post by caroline on May 4, 2019 22:48:05 GMT 11
I got a quote for a replacement battery about a year ago, at which time I was told that the batteries were not stocked in Australia and would be ordered from Japan. The approximate wait was 3-6 weeks. I think you should reasonably expect the same. I can't imagine why Japan would have none warehoused. Odd, Caroline has been told up to 5 months, and bje has been told 3-6 weeks. I've been waiting for a battery under warranty replacement since December, and they said that they were made in the US, not Japan. The 3-6 weeks wait sounds very unlikely, not something that would have been the case if you'd proceeded with a replacement. The replacements I've heard of have taken months, and at Nissan Moorooka the batteries ordered in November arrived in April, and mine might arrive in May, fingers crossed. Other parts for these cars can also take months to arrive. I was also told that the battery casing was made here and then shipped to the US for the battery cells to be installed, so not a fast process. Nissan Moorooka has actually done a number of battery replacements (probably due to Qld heat), whereas not every dealer may have, so whatever they say doesn't come from experience. Yes it’s the first I think for my Nissan dealer (Von Bibra)... but there’s less than a handful of Leafs on the Gold Coast. Sounds like I’ll be getting my Model 3 before the new battery!
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Post by bje on May 5, 2019 17:46:08 GMT 11
I got a quote for a replacement battery about a year ago, at which time I was told that the batteries were not stocked in Australia and would be ordered from Japan. The approximate wait was 3-6 weeks. I think you should reasonably expect the same. I can't imagine why Japan would have none warehoused. I was also told that the battery casing was made here and then shipped to the US for the battery cells to be installed, so not a fast process. Nissan Moorooka has actually done a number of battery replacements (probably due to Qld heat), whereas not every dealer may have, so whatever they say doesn't come from experience. I was sceptical about this - after all, surely nothing in a Japanese car is made in Australia? Then I checked and discovered the existence of the Nissan Casting Plant (NCP) in Dandenong. The idea that the battery casing might be made in Australia now sounds a lot more plausible.
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Post by bje on May 5, 2019 18:00:20 GMT 11
I reckon unless you have an urgent need for the range it's nice to get a few more months out of your old pack. Squeeze out a little more life out of it before it's replaced. Also, at least shipping is better for the environment than air freight. Agreed, Feng. The delivery time on the battery is not really a major concern provided the original battery can hang on for a while.
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Post by jacky on May 10, 2019 22:04:45 GMT 11
I have the VCM replaced and have my car back today.
It took more than a week for that.
Now, a battery warrant claim is submitted and waiting for Nissan’s decision.
The dealer told me it will take 5 months to get the battery.
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Post by Feng on May 11, 2019 12:07:16 GMT 11
A question for you Feng... before you had your old battery replaced and it was down 4 bars, did you notice the regen deteriorating? We feel that ours is, and the other day the trip computer told me that I'd been using .2 kwH per km, and I've never had such a bad result over 5 trips, and it hadn't been hilly driving. (Usually come between 1.4 and 1.6) If the regen is deteriorating further, that might account for such high energy use. What do you think? Not that I can recall but I've heard it happen with other owners. Not sure why.
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Post by bje on May 11, 2019 19:05:15 GMT 11
The dealer told me it will take 5 months to get the battery. So much for just-in-time manufacturing!
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Post by empowerrepower on May 17, 2019 16:02:54 GMT 11
After 5 months of waiting, heard that my battery arrived at Moorooka Nissan yesterday. The Leaf mechanic is going on hols Thursday next week, so I've booked it in for Monday. The challenge now is to get it the 83 km highway/108 km byways) to Nissan, as the range has dropped further and I don't think that I'll make it to the first fast charger at 80 km away, so I'm looking at accessible power points and slow chargers to stop for a few hours before getting to a fast charger. With highway driving, I don't think I have more than 60 km range. The north side of Bris is sadly lacking still. All very irritating - definitely have to take a good book!
Open to suggestions to solve this problem.
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Post by Feng on May 17, 2019 16:08:23 GMT 11
One big adventure! Good luck!
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Post by caroline on May 17, 2019 16:09:11 GMT 11
After 5 months of waiting, heard that my battery arrived at Moorooka Nissan yesterday. The Leaf mechanic is going on hols Thursday next week, so I've booked it in for Monday. The challenge now is to get it the 83 km highway/108 km byways) to Nissan, as the range has dropped further and I don't think that I'll make it to the first fast charger at 80 km away, so I'm looking at accessible power points and slow chargers to stop for a few hours before getting to a fast charger. With highway driving, I don't think I have more than 60 km range. The north side of Bris is sadly lacking still. All very irritating - definitely have to take a good book! Open to suggestions to solve this problem. Wouldn’t Nissan be responsible for getting your car to the workshop if it’s a warranty replacement? If you have doubts they should transport it
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Post by empowerrepower on May 18, 2019 11:13:20 GMT 11
It is booked in for Monday, so too late to ask about that one. Knowing that the tech was going off on hols on Thursday really put some time pressure on, as we now have three cars and two drivers, and want to get the Leaf on the market at the start of June.
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Post by bje on May 21, 2019 20:18:05 GMT 11
It is booked in for Monday, so too late to ask about that one. Knowing that the tech was going off on hols on Thursday really put some time pressure on, as we now have three cars and two drivers, and want to get the Leaf on the market at the start of June. Interested to hear how you got on? Did you need to stop once to get to the fast charger?
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Post by jeffthewalker on May 22, 2019 15:19:40 GMT 11
Got down to 8 bars this morning! Booked her in for next Thursday - local Nissan said they have to charge for a battery test that they then send to Nissan central where they will make the decision whether or not to replace under warranty... will take a whole day for the battery test - I should have asked how much. I can't seem to post pics on this thread for some reason. It's almost 4 years to the day and I'm on 38,453km. LeafSpy says AHR = 43.38, SOH = 66.13% and Hx = 43.99% I am waiting anxiously to lose my 4th bar. Currently AHr=42.71 and SOH=65.10%. It has to be just around the corner:-). I am at 3.5 years and 56,600Km.
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Post by empowerrepower on May 23, 2019 0:09:08 GMT 11
It is booked in for Monday, so too late to ask about that one. Knowing that the tech was going off on hols on Thursday really put some time pressure on, as we now have three cars and two drivers, and want to get the Leaf on the market at the start of June. Interested to hear how you got on? Did you need to stop once to get to the fast charger?
Well, what a contrast! On Monday, with my limited range, it took 4 hours to drive from the Sunshine Coast to Nissan Moorooka, as I took slow back roads and stopped twice to charge. Today, I picked up the car and was able to drive home in an hour-and-a-half with 3 bars still left after 85km with lots of highway driving. The GOM said 161 km when I turned it on, dropped immediately to 135 km, then went up to 165 km. After that, it started acting more normally - I presume the swinging up and down was due to the adjustment to a new battery. The regen is much better, even when the car is almost fully charged. Really lovely to have the range so much better, and I'll be doing some calcs as to what it can now do. Now need to spruce the car up before putting on the market to help pay for the Hyundai Kona. Would have liked to be a two-ev family if circumstances were different.
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Post by EVangelist on May 23, 2019 14:49:45 GMT 11
Wow empowerrepower , I am jealous. I am down 3 bars, 5 years is up at the end of October, and it is highly likely I will miss the drop to 4 bars by between 3 and 6 months.
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Post by empowerrepower on May 25, 2019 23:22:36 GMT 11
My third bar dropped in March 2018, and the fourth in November 2018, only eight months later, so keep your fingers crossed.
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Post by EVangelist on May 29, 2019 11:01:50 GMT 11
My third bar dropped in March 2018, and the fourth in November 2018, only eight months later, so keep your fingers crossed. I am now charging to 100% daily
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Post by Sleepwalker on May 30, 2019 12:17:10 GMT 11
Hi all sorry I missed all the notifications on this thread. I average 11kWh / 100km in winter and 13 in summer because of aircon. I only do short flat city trips and trip meter says my average speed is 21.5km. I’m more a granny driver though I have been know to do the occasional burn off at the lights 😬 caroline at the time when you car hit 8 bars / 66.1% health - how many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full?
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Post by Sleepwalker on May 30, 2019 12:24:47 GMT 11
It's almost 4 years to the day and I'm on 38,453km. LeafSpy says AHR = 43.38, SOH = 66.13% and Hx = 43.99% I am waiting anxiously to lose my 4th bar. Currently AHr=42.71 and SOH=65.10%. It has to be just around the corner:-). I am at 3.5 years and 56,600Km. Hello, fellow walker jeffthewalker would you mind sharing your leafspy screenshot? How many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full?
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Post by caroline on May 30, 2019 12:36:06 GMT 11
Hi all sorry I missed all the notifications on this thread. I average 11kWh / 100km in winter and 13 in summer because of aircon. I only do short flat city trips and trip meter says my average speed is 21.5km. I’m more a granny driver though I have been know to do the occasional burn off at the lights 😬 caroline at the time when you car hit 8 bars / 66.1% health - how many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full? It also depends on driving speed and conditions (eg wind, road temp). Average highway driving (95-110km/hr) at 8 bars I now get between 80-90km range. Average city driving (majority of my trips - 30-70km/hr) I get 100-110km range. When I charge to 100% the GoM (guess-o-meter) currently (with 8 bars) shows 105-110km range.
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Post by caroline on May 30, 2019 14:02:27 GMT 11
Hi all sorry I missed all the notifications on this thread. I average 11kWh / 100km in winter and 13 in summer because of aircon. I only do short flat city trips and trip meter says my average speed is 21.5km. I’m more a granny driver though I have been know to do the occasional burn off at the lights 😬 caroline at the time when you car hit 8 bars / 66.1% health - how many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full? In answer to your second question... I just checked my car with leafspy now and at 70.6% charge it has 10.3kWh so should be about 14.58kWh at 100% charge....remaining from 21/22kWh (usable) when new. This checks out when I look at my SOH which is now 65.48% (65.48% of 22 = 14.4).... also when I look at my current avg efficiency (last few trips city driving) which is 0.13kWh/km or 7.7km/kWh. So on that basis and typical city driving no aircon I should get 112km range which is about right. I also note that I have not achieved 0.11kWh/km (quoted in my post above) for quite a while despite it now being almost winter and I’m not using aircon/heating. Not sure the reason for this.
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Post by Sleepwalker on May 30, 2019 16:14:25 GMT 11
In answer to your second question... I just checked my car with leafspy now and at 70.6% charge it has 10.3kWh so should be about 14.58kWh at 100% charge....remaining from 21/22kWh (usable) when new. This checks out when I look at my SOH which is now 65.48% (65.48% of 22 = 14.4).... also when I look at my current avg efficiency (last few trips city driving) which is 0.13kWh/km or 7.7km/kWh. So on that basis and typical city driving no aircon I should get 112km range which is about right. I also note that I have not achieved 0.11kWh/km (quoted in my post above) for quite a while despite it now being almost winter and I’m not using aircon/heating. Not sure the reason for this. Very interesting. So when it was new 21 kWh of usable capacity at 100% SOH would give you 21 kWh / 0.13 kWh/km = 160 km plus. Would that be accurate? If you don't mind me asking, what year is your car and how many km has it travelled? I am trying to compare it with mine, and specifically the amount of kWh injested from the charger on full charge, as measured by the charger and it raises some interesting questions Do you find that the bars are an accurate representation of battery State Of Health as reported by Leaf? (I.e. 4 bars is equivalent to of 65.48%) or are they both looking at the same data.
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Post by caroline on May 30, 2019 16:34:25 GMT 11
In answer to your second question... I just checked my car with leafspy now and at 70.6% charge it has 10.3kWh so should be about 14.58kWh at 100% charge....remaining from 21/22kWh (usable) when new. This checks out when I look at my SOH which is now 65.48% (65.48% of 22 = 14.4).... also when I look at my current avg efficiency (last few trips city driving) which is 0.13kWh/km or 7.7km/kWh. So on that basis and typical city driving no aircon I should get 112km range which is about right. I also note that I have not achieved 0.11kWh/km (quoted in my post above) for quite a while despite it now being almost winter and I’m not using aircon/heating. Not sure the reason for this. Very interesting. So when it was new 21 kWh of usable capacity at 100% SOH would give you 21 kWh / 0.13 kWh/km = 160 km plus. Would that be accurate? If you don't mind me asking, what year is your car and how many km has it travelled? I am trying to compare it with mine, and specifically the amount of kWh injested from the charger on full charge, as measured by the charger and it raises some interesting questions Do you find that the bars are an accurate representation of battery State Of Health as reported by Leaf? (I.e. 4 bars is equivalent to of 65.48%) or are they both looking at the same data. Yes when new GoM would display 160km on full charge and I found that to be fairly accurate. It’s a 2012 model that I bought new in April 2015 and I now have 40,500km on the clock. I lost the first bar DEC’15 - 8 months after purchase with 6,400km on the clock so quite early. Yes I would say the SOH bars are fairly accurate - though using LeafSpy gives a more in depth picture. Somebody quoted somewhere (can’t remember if it was on this forum or Facebook) the expected SOH at each bar loss and it was a very accurate predictor.
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Post by jeffthewalker on May 31, 2019 6:54:36 GMT 11
I am waiting anxiously to lose my 4th bar. Currently AHr=42.71 and SOH=65.10%. It has to be just around the corner:-). I am at 3.5 years and 56,600Km. Hello, fellow walker jeffthewalker would you mind sharing your leafspy screenshot? How many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full? Good morning sleepwalker. I love your avatar.
I adjust my range as I drive depending on how far I want to go. If I drive at highway speed with aircon (12deg outside) I get around 80km. If I do the same trip at 80k/h (and I do it regularly) with range in mind, I can get it to 100km. (Interesting, 80/100 - 100/80 dichotomy:-)
Regularly 14.0kWh to full.
Here's my screenshot from a charge several days ago. That 4th bar is just aching to drop.
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Post by caroline on May 31, 2019 7:25:52 GMT 11
Hello, fellow walker jeffthewalker would you mind sharing your leafspy screenshot? How many km range did you get on full charge without eco or aircon? Do you know how many kWh of charge would you battery take to full? Good morning sleepwalker. I love your avatar.
I adjust my range as I drive depending on how far I want to go. If I drive at highway speed with aircon (12deg outside) I get around 80km. If I do the same trip at 80k/h (and I do it regularly) with range in mind, I can get it to 100km. (Interesting, 80/100 - 100/80 dichotomy:-)
Regularly 14.0kWh to full.
Here's my screenshot from a charge several days ago. That 4th bar is just aching to drop.
Hey Jeff, that’s weird - according to the numbers that were posted (here?) you should have lost your 4th bar already - I think it was 66.1%? Mine is now 65.48%. I guess they weren’t so accurate after all.
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Post by jeffthewalker on May 31, 2019 13:22:57 GMT 11
Hey Jeff, that’s weird - according to the numbers that were posted (here?) you should have lost your 4th bar already - I think it was 66.1%? Mine is now 65.48%. I guess they weren’t so accurate after all. I agree. I have looked through all those other readings and mine should be gone. I am watching it daily. I am at 64.85%.
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Post by dac1811 on May 31, 2019 14:32:54 GMT 11
I read somewhere that it has to go past the limit, in this case 66.25%, for a month or so before the bar will drop. How long has it been so far ?
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Post by caroline on May 31, 2019 14:38:12 GMT 11
I read somewhere that it has to go past the limit, in this case 66.25%, for a month or so before the bar will drop. How long has it been so far ? Mine was on 66.31 on 26th March with 9 bars then a week later it dropped to 8 bars with 66.13 SOH - less than a 20 point drop in a week.
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