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Post by Feng on Jun 28, 2014 7:27:20 GMT 11
Wonder no more: insideevs.com/breaking-nissan-prices-leaf-battery-replacement-5499-new-packs-heat-durable/US$5499 sounds about right and I guess by the time we actually need to buy them the prices will only go down. I'm especially pleased to hear that they've catered for 2011/2012 owners by providing a retrofit kit to make the same battery fit both LEAF models. I had this fear they'll screw over the early adopters because of the small number of owners. Hopefully one day they will introduce higher capacity batteries for sale but I think this is a good start.
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Post by Phoebe on Jun 28, 2014 7:39:57 GMT 11
All good news!
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Post by riddick on Jun 28, 2014 8:52:06 GMT 11
Interesting, but I would like to keep my old pack. They want to make sure that only Leaf owners can buy these packs.
Make it bigger capacity plus price drops over next 5 years and then we are talking.
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Post by Feng on Jun 28, 2014 15:23:52 GMT 11
Anyone want to mail Dean about how much it will cost us here? It's already changed my perception a bit with babying the battery, knowing a replacement isn't astronomical. I'll still look after it but not to the point of spoiling the enjoyment!
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Post by gabzimiev on Jun 28, 2014 15:52:42 GMT 11
Interesting, but I would like to keep my old pack. They want to make sure that only Leaf owners can buy these packs. If you want to keep it expect to pay another $1000 on the cost there is a lot of value in what can be recycled in our battery packs. the Mitsubishi manual even says if you ride the car off we would like our batteries back please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 6:46:49 GMT 11
Sounds like what Toyota did 8 years 160,000 km retrospective warranty
Chelsea n nikki n Tom are really happy on transport evolved 205
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Post by Phoebe on Jun 29, 2014 7:59:18 GMT 11
And £3,200 in the UK .
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Post by riddick on Jun 29, 2014 10:15:20 GMT 11
I will be very happy to keep my battery for $1000 as its real value is a lot higher. There will be a healthy second hand market at that price. In fact I am happy to buy it off anybody else today at that price. Will work well in my house. I am sure Brian would, too.
I am afraid, however, that Nissan won't let us do that as $1000 is just an accounting figure.
Also say AUD 6k is still high compared to our fuel price. But it is a great start.
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Post by Brian on Jun 29, 2014 20:49:29 GMT 11
And, yes, I would pay Au$1,500 for a second hand pack that still had 70% capacity. This would be fine for static storage. But I would prefer to buy two packs at the same time. Whilst the overall capacity could be down, many of the 48 x 4 cell packs could be up-to-spec, making a total pack re-build a possibility. I would have bought two of the ex-BetterPlace packs, @ US$3,500 each, if I could have got to them before the Yanks. Any ' Legal Eagles ' out there ? Forcing you to ' sell ' the original pack to Nissan for what I consider to be a bargain price ( to Nissan ) smacks a little bit of restrictive trade practices to me. Unless the real mathematics are more like ' real price ' for a new pack $8,500, less re-sale value of old pack ( except for Arizona ones ) $3,000 = cost to the punter $5,500. But Nissan might ( rightly ) consider that $8,500 would scare both prospective, and existing, customers, so a nominal price of $6,500 less $1,000 for trade in battery means the punter still only pays $5,500, whilst Nissan could get their $8,500. That is the only explanation I can think of for forcing the sell-back.
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Post by lesmando24 on Jun 30, 2014 12:40:29 GMT 11
Awesome. Even if it is $10,000 in Australia, that is good for me. I am waiting to see how my pack goes, but so far it is doing just fine. Sometime in the future I expect to replace the battery, shock absorbers, steering bushes etc and maybe CV joints. Then it is a new car again Les
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Post by Jim Hare on Jun 30, 2014 12:54:35 GMT 11
Wow, that sounds cheap to me, I always thought it would be $10k-$15k.
I think Brian's theory is right, it's probably a subsidised price that's based on Nissan benefitting from a perfectly good battery with 70% capacity.
Like everyone I would much prefer to keep it and power the house.
And, like Feng, I hope that in 3-5 years, when we are actually in the market for a battery replacement, they have twice the range and cost $4,500 or better yet. $450.
Plasma TVs are a great example, they cost $20k originally and within seven years now cost $400 for the same thing.
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Post by jeffjl on Jun 30, 2014 13:05:11 GMT 11
And, yes, I would pay Au$1,500 for a second hand pack that still had 70% capacity. This would be fine for static storage. But I would prefer to buy two packs at the same time. Whilst the overall capacity could be down, many of the 48 x 4 cell packs could be up-to-spec, making a total pack re-build a possibility. I would have bought two of the ex-BetterPlace packs, @ US$3,500 each, if I could have got to them before the Yanks. Any ' Legal Eagles ' out there ? Forcing you to ' sell ' the original pack to Nissan for what I consider to be a bargain price ( to Nissan ) smacks a little bit of restrictive trade practices to me. Unless the real mathematics are more like ' real price ' for a new pack $8,500, less re-sale value of old pack ( except for Arizona ones ) $3,000 = cost to the punter $5,500. But Nissan might ( rightly ) consider that $8,500 would scare both prospective, and existing, customers, so a nominal price of $6,500 less $1,000 for trade in battery means the punter still only pays $5,500, whilst Nissan could get their $8,500. That is the only explanation I can think of for forcing the sell-back. Sales tax (GST) on a $8,500 pack is a lot less than it on a $5,500 pack. Either way you want it Brian Nissan only get $5,500 but with the lower trade in value you (the customer) pays less tax.
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Post by robf on Jul 29, 2014 10:48:12 GMT 11
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Post by riddick on Jul 30, 2014 16:03:27 GMT 11
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Post by Feng on Jul 30, 2014 16:59:47 GMT 11
I had a thought about people who don't want to pay full price for a new pack: Suppose in a few years an owner has a pack that's down to 60% but only needs a 75% pack to suit their needs for their daily commute. Can they find another owner with a 75% pack who wants a new pack, swap with them for $1000, then the second owner can take the 60% pack to Nissan for a new pack?
I.e, why sell a 75% pack to Nissan when you can make a few extra bucks out of it with another owner who would find it adequate. Anything wrong with my line of thinking? I'm assuming Nissan won't service a pack and bring it back up to a required percentage.
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Post by riddick on Jul 31, 2014 13:06:42 GMT 11
Good idea. I wonder if Nissan kept serial numbers on the batteries and whether they will bother checking them. Also not sure what the labour cost will be with a third party to do the swap, but it may not be too difficult to do the replacement. If a real market starts up with this then I am sure there will be willing service people to do it. I wonder if one day people will start stealing cars for the batteries and authorities will have to keep track of battery serial numbers like they do engine numbers now? On another note, I just read an article in Renew magazine, where they say that all players predict about a 40% drop in battery prices by 2020, which is only 6 years away... Now, I want Phoebe's battery for myself ... Go easy on it Phoebe, don't drive like me
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Post by jeffjl on Jul 31, 2014 22:37:15 GMT 11
Now, I want Phoebe's battery for myself ... Go easy on it Phoebe, don't drive like me I am not sure if she has used a full charge yet. I think she is still on the same charge as when she bought it given the km she drives.
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Post by riddick on Sept 2, 2014 15:46:05 GMT 11
From wikipedia for Tesla Model S (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S):
"The battery is guaranteed for eight years or 125,000 mi (201,000 km) for the base model with the 60 kW·h battery pack. The 85 kW·h battery pack is guaranteed for eight years and unlimited miles.[58]
A separate battery replacement guarantee takes effect after the eighth year at a cost of US$10,000 for the 60 kW·h battery and US$12,000 for the 85 kW·h battery.[59]"
Doing some quick calculations, the LEAF battery is expensive, it should be around USD3500-4000 based on the Tesla pricing. I dunno if Tesla wants your old battery back as well?!
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Post by jacky on Sept 2, 2014 18:33:06 GMT 11
Doing some quick calculations, the LEAF battery is expensive, it should be around USD3500-4000 based on the Tesla pricing. I dunno if Tesla wants your old battery back as well?! But Tesla's price is a future price - 6-8 years later. The price from Nissan is current price. It is an unfair comparison. Everyone expects the battery cost will come down a lot in the next few years.
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Post by Feng on Oct 1, 2014 9:50:55 GMT 11
Dashcams, can you tell us a bit about yourself? Do you own an EV or are you interested in getting one?
Just a little Turing test, I don't think we've banned a user here before.
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Post by Feng on Oct 11, 2014 10:18:09 GMT 11
I'm convinced someone is trying to advertise their business in a stupid way. I can find other forums where the same sort of posts are made. Now I'm just curious if it's someone doing it personally or is it just scripted responses from a chatbot.
Hey dashcams, can you tell me more about dashcams? You won't get a cent out of me of course.
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Post by riddick on Oct 11, 2014 12:10:07 GMT 11
Well picked Feng and gabzimiev! I am now convinced that this is a scripted response, with English like: "any body guide me please . does we can sell car parts in this forum?"
I have reviewed its posts and they are all out of context.
Mr dashcams is now the proud owner of the first user ban on this forum. If he does not complain any further, then I will remove his stupid advertisements in a few days...
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Post by riddick on Oct 14, 2014 16:51:56 GMT 11
No complaints from Mr dashcams since, so his whole history has now been removed...
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Post by ashcroft on Dec 16, 2014 19:23:10 GMT 11
Hi everyone, just looking at a purchase for a Leaf now and while running numbers, making inquiries etc; I called metro nissan in lutwyche brisbane and was told they only replace battery cells not entire batteries.
This is at a cost of $1000 per cell with 48 cells.... Very discouraging to say the least. I wonder if I was merely speaking to an uninformed sales person or if this is actually correct?
He seemed woefully naive about the nature of Lion batteries and their lifecycle. (I design and build robots in my spare time)
Samual Ashcroft
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 16, 2014 19:30:37 GMT 11
no one in Australia as far as we know has a battery replaced. in the USA larger sample set they have replaced the entire pack from reports.
it also depends on the issue if it's a capacity issue ie you've lost more bars than the warranty says then whole pack replacement. but if they run the diagnostic and see a single cell voltage is performing out of spec. that is a unbalanced pack they may only replace a single cell.
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Post by ashcroft on Dec 16, 2014 19:42:38 GMT 11
What I am trying to understand is if in 5 door so years if I want to refurbished, if I can get a whole pack for 5500 or whether I'll be forced to pay people to replace half a dozen cells out of the 48 for 1k a pop. At the moment this is the difference between me ordering it right now or finding another second hand bomb to run into the ground over the next 5 years
Old car is dying, leaf fills my needs, just need to know I won't be locked in to buying battery bits at Lexmark printer cartridge prices by comparison.
Android spell checking....
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Post by Jim Hare on Dec 16, 2014 20:00:05 GMT 11
Hey Samual,
For me the thinking was beyond the current situation. In other words in a few years everything is going to be different, higher capacity and much cheaper prices when it comes to batteries.
So for the short/mid term you should rely on the warranty and expect the situation to change around you over time.
You should also take comfort in the fact that not one of us has experienced any premature battery loss. I've had mine 2 1/2 years and still getting full bars after charging.
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Post by ashcroft on Dec 16, 2014 20:30:13 GMT 11
Sry, not a great communicator. I have high functioning autism. So no one has confirmed if the American 5500 trade in deal will happen in australia?
Hope is a commodity I put no value on, let alone understand beyond the academic.
I'm not overly concerned about the battery dying quickly, as far as I'm concerned there are 3 maintenance things on that car; bearings, the motor wearing if it's a permanent magnet type and tyres, that is fricken awesome.
I just like to plan for long term future
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 17, 2014 7:28:58 GMT 11
I have high functioning autism. So no one has confirmed if the American 5500 trade in deal will happen in australia? Short answer is no.
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Post by Jim Hare on Dec 18, 2014 9:03:02 GMT 11
Understood, but again, short term plan is rely on the warranty for any battery issues, long term is expect EVERYTHING to be completely different by the time the warranty runs out. So today's process isn't really a factor in my mind.
But I do appreciate it's more about understanding the situation than worrying about a specific plan.
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