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Post by gregleaf on Oct 1, 2016 18:52:39 GMT 11
Here is my Tesla adaptor for those of you who may be interested. Works on single and 3 phase destination chargers.
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Post by stewartm on Oct 1, 2016 22:41:07 GMT 11
I'm working on a Menekes to three phase socket to plug my portable chademo into. Just have to build the interface to get the destination charger to fire up the juice. Will only work on the three phase ones though. I need minimum 16amp per phase, prefer 32.
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Post by Greg on Oct 1, 2016 22:46:05 GMT 11
I'm working on a Menekes to three phase socket to plug my portable chademo into. Just have to build the interface to get the destination charger to fire up the juice. Will only work on the three phase ones though. I need minimum 16amp per phase, prefer 32. I would be interested in one when you have made it up.
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Post by stewartm on Oct 1, 2016 22:48:10 GMT 11
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Post by leafmedo on Oct 2, 2016 13:11:22 GMT 11
Here is my Tesla adaptor for those of you who may be interested. Works on single and 3 phase destination chargers. I have a Mennekes Type 2 to J1772 cable. Do you think it works with Tesla destination EVSE ?
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Post by gregleaf on Oct 2, 2016 14:20:09 GMT 11
A normal Mennekes type 2 connector neck is 11mm too long. You need to shorten it or use a car inlet as above
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 2, 2016 16:53:50 GMT 11
Here is my Tesla adaptor for those of you who may be interested. Works on single and 3 phase destination chargers. Is that home made or purchased off the shelf? Are the connections straight through or does it need some signaling translation?
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Post by gregleaf on Oct 2, 2016 16:57:20 GMT 11
Connections are straight through. I approached a cable supplier with a description of what I wanted and they made it up for me. Parts are readily available though.
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Post by EVtricity on Oct 2, 2016 21:38:14 GMT 11
For our Leafs you can modify a standard Mennekes Type 2 to J1772 adaptor like: www.ev-istore.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=35505www.evcables.co.uk/127/Type-1-Type-2-Charging-CablesBut you will have to modify the Mennekes male/socket end to reduce its length by 11mm so that the contact pins inside the Tesla plug and Mennekes socket join. This Mennekes designers didn't want to have people adding extension cords. However in Australia the Tesla stations have a cable and plug so you can't plug a Mennekes to J1772 directly into the station (as you can in Europe) so the only option if you want to use a Tesla station is to shorten the Mennekes end or use the Mennekes car inlet. The post at github.com/kortas87/simple-evse/wiki/SimpleEvseJ1772guideExternal nicely explains the issue. Like gregleaf , I have charged my Leaf successfully on single phase and three phase Tesla stations (using a modified ev-istore adaptor). Mennekes uses the same pilot signal as J1772 so the pilot signal is a straight pass through on these adaptors. I can explain how the proximity pin is handled by the ev-istore.com adaptor but since our Leafs ignore it, it doesn't matter anyway!
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Post by EVtricity on Oct 2, 2016 21:54:07 GMT 11
stewartm - if you're looking to use a Mennekes three phase into a standard three phase socket you'll need to use something like the AVC2 from EV Modular Power - modularevpower.com/Active_Vehicle_Side_Control_development.htmThe EVSE kit is to help build an EVSE i.e. regular power socket to Mennekes or J1772 plug. The AVC2 on the other hand will send the appropriate signals to a Mennekes EVSE to allow it to draw power - in your case into a three phase socket which you could then plug your Chademo unit into. There are adaptors like those from Tucson EV which allow you to plug regular plugs into a J1772 socket. While you need to be aware of (and keep under) the maximum power available from the EVSE it would be possible to have a unit built to use Mennekes (rather than J1772) and to change the standard socket (for example the C13 from the J1772 to C13 Zero adaptor) to an AU or EU standard three phase socket.
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Post by caskings on Oct 2, 2016 23:51:55 GMT 11
I definitely need one of those cables.
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 3, 2016 15:04:22 GMT 11
For our Leafs you can modify a standard Mennekes Type 2 to J1772 adaptor like: www.ev-istore.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=35505www.evcables.co.uk/127/Type-1-Type-2-Charging-CablesBut you will have to modify the Mennekes male/socket end to reduce its length by 11mm so that the contact pins inside the Tesla plug and Mennekes socket join. This Mennekes designers didn't want to have people adding extension cords. However in Australia the Tesla stations have a cable and plug so you can't plug a Mennekes to J1772 directly into the station (as you can in Europe) so the only option if you want to use a Tesla station is to shorten the Mennekes end or use the Mennekes car inlet. The post at github.com/kortas87/simple-evse/wiki/SimpleEvseJ1772guideExternal nicely explains the issue. Like gregleaf , I have charged my Leaf successfully on single phase and three phase Tesla stations (using a modified ev-istore adaptor). Mennekes uses the same pilot signal as J1772 so the pilot signal is a straight pass through on these adaptors. I can explain how the proximity pin is handled by the ev-istore.com adaptor but since our Leafs ignore it, it doesn't matter anyway! When you say "shorten", do you mean use a hacksaw to shorten the Mennekes male socket by 11mm? Or do you mean get the male-socket end replaced with the inlet-port-male-socket? Or either? I haven't seen any charge stations which use Mennekes locally, except for use with Tesla S. But there seems to be as many of these as J1772 charge stations, so this would be very useful. Do Tesla's use the charge point swipe card, the same as we use for J1772. Sorry for all the questions. Mark
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Post by EVtricity on Oct 4, 2016 8:33:34 GMT 11
markrmarkr - If you buy the stock Mennekes to J1772 adaptor then to shorten neatly I'd recommend machining it down with a lathe rather than a hacksaw. Here's the outcome of machining. The inlet gregleaf has does not require machining but you'll need someone to make the cable. EVBitz offers a "Type 2 to Type 1 Adapter" already machined if you want to buy something off the shelf - evbitz.uk/EVBitz.uk/T2_T1_Cables_-_1P.html. I have not tested their unit. The Tesla destination charging stations in Australia don't require a smart card but note that the vast majority have Tesla charging only signs on them (presumably because Tesla gave the site the EVSE units for free and want to see Tesla customers receive the benefit which is fair enough). Some like Eden Gardens and Chatswood Westfield parking in Sydney don't have those signs and so you could use those without having to ask someone if they are OK with you using their EV station to um, charge an EV If a Tesla owner turned up while you were charging (after you'd got the OK from the site owner) I think it would be courteous to offer the station to the Tesla driver as they have indirectly contributed to its installation.
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Post by stewartm on Oct 4, 2016 10:20:58 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on Oct 4, 2016 13:02:52 GMT 11
markrmarkr - If you buy the stock Mennekes to J1772 adaptor then to shorten neatly I'd recommend machining it down with a lathe rather than a hacksaw. Here's the outcome of machining. View AttachmentThe inlet gregleaf has does not require machining but you'll need someone to make the cable. EVBitz offers a "Type 2 to Type 1 Adapter" already machined if you want to buy something off the shelf - evbitz.uk/EVBitz.uk/T2_T1_Cables_-_1P.html. I have not tested their unit. The Tesla destination charging stations in Australia don't require a smart card but note that the vast majority have Tesla charging only signs on them (presumably because Tesla gave the site the EVSE units for free and want to see Tesla customers receive the benefit which is fair enough). Some like Eden Gardens and Chatswood Westfield parking in Sydney don't have those signs and so you could use those without having to ask someone if they are OK with you using their EV station to um, charge an EV If a Tesla owner turned up while you were charging (after you'd got the OK from the site owner) I think it would be courteous to offer the station to the Tesla driver as they have indirectly contributed to its installation. The occasional, and I mean occasional use by anything other than a Tesla is a rrare occasion I would think, and probably would be inconsequential in reality. I would not prioritise LEAF over Tesla at my power point. They are, after all, in the same mire as any other EV owners are, which is charge points far and few between. At this stage in our NSW EV blindness, I take all equal, and would hope it can clearly stay that way, or we may finish up with so many types of charge points. If my car needs charging, it needs charging.... Period. I'm certain any other user of the points would understand.
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Post by leafmedo on Oct 4, 2016 13:29:01 GMT 11
For our Leafs you can modify a standard Mennekes Type 2 to J1772 adaptor like: www.ev-istore.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=35505www.evcables.co.uk/127/Type-1-Type-2-Charging-CablesBut you will have to modify the Mennekes male/socket end to reduce its length by 11mm so that the contact pins inside the Tesla plug and Mennekes socket join. This Mennekes designers didn't want to have people adding extension cords. However in Australia the Tesla stations have a cable and plug so you can't plug a Mennekes to J1772 directly into the station (as you can in Europe) so the only option if you want to use a Tesla station is to shorten the Mennekes end or use the Mennekes car inlet. The post at github.com/kortas87/simple-evse/wiki/SimpleEvseJ1772guideExternal nicely explains the issue. Like gregleaf , I have charged my Leaf successfully on single phase and three phase Tesla stations (using a modified ev-istore adaptor). Mennekes uses the same pilot signal as J1772 so the pilot signal is a straight pass through on these adaptors. I can explain how the proximity pin is handled by the ev-istore.com adaptor but since our Leafs ignore it, it doesn't matter anyway! When you say "shorten", do you mean use a hacksaw to shorten the Mennekes male socket by 11mm? Or do you mean get the male-socket end replaced with the inlet-port-male-socket? Or either? I haven't seen any charge stations which use Mennekes locally, except for use with Tesla S. But there seems to be as many of these as J1772 charge stations, so this would be very useful. Do Tesla's use the charge point swipe card, the same as we use for J1772. Sorry for all the questions. Mark
Cut my connector. Thank you all for the tips.
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 5, 2016 13:18:58 GMT 11
Wow. I hope it works out for you. I ended up buying the one David recomended above. 133 UK pounds. I'll post again when I get it.
Also, David and I discussed the issue of using Tesla infrastructure to charge other vehicles. We came to the conclusion that: Other cars using HPWC Tesla chargers helps the case for having them as the business were they are installed must see them being used. Otherwise they may question the value of a dedicated parking spot, and all that implies, which is not being used. Particularly if customers with regular ICE vehicles can'tfind a parking spot.
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 18, 2016 20:07:38 GMT 11
Good news it's arrived! I ordered it on 5 October and it arrived today (18 October). So just under 2 weeks. Cost was 120 UK Pounds plus 13 UK Pounds for delivery. I used the EVbitz link David supplied above. Here are some Pics.Now I just have to test it out on a Tesla HPWC.
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Post by Feng on Oct 18, 2016 22:38:42 GMT 11
Nice. I wonder if HPWC owners are trying to attract rich clientele and would take issue with a LEAF plugging in because it's not what they had in mind? Let us know your experience with it!
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Post by EVtricity on Oct 19, 2016 9:24:57 GMT 11
Good news it's arrived! I ordered it on 5 October and it arrived today (18 October). So just under 2 weeks. Cost was 120 UK Pounds plus 13 UK Pounds for delivery. I used the EVbitz link David supplied above. Here are some Pics.Now I just have to test it out on a Tesla HPWC. Good pick up Mark. That's the one I should have purchased as I don't really need the 3 metres of cable especially if I carry it on the Zero motorcycle. If anyone would like mine this one with 3 metre cable and shortened Mennekes end it has been tested successfully on my Leaf in Sydney on Tesla single phase and three phase HPWCs - happy to sell it for AUD200 plus postage.
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Post by jcan on Oct 19, 2016 16:33:59 GMT 11
This info is exactly what I was looking for!!... I'll have 11 mm off my connector and tested up the road by tonights end!!
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 19, 2016 23:16:12 GMT 11
Good news it's arrived! I ordered it on 5 October and it arrived today (18 October). So just under 2 weeks. Cost was 120 UK Pounds plus 13 UK Pounds for delivery. I used the EVbitz link David supplied above. Here are some Pics. Now I just have to test it out on a Tesla HPWC. Now that looks very nice. I'm almost tempted to get one, but I've never had the need really, especially now that my employer has a Chargepoint charging station.
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 19, 2016 23:19:28 GMT 11
Nice. I wonder if HPWC owners are trying to attract rich clientele and would take issue with a LEAF plugging in because it's not what they had in mind? Let us know your experience with it! Heh... yes we can't have those Leaf drivers lowering the tone!!
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 19, 2016 23:41:52 GMT 11
Sorry Feng, I didn't see you. I have been noticing a lot of Teslas on the road though. I'm starting to feel like part of a minority. I still have not tested it out yet, but hope to on the weekend. Please everyone who is interested, let me test it before you get one. I will post as soon as I have tested it. If it works out I'll organise a time/place for anyone who wants to see it.
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Post by Feng on Oct 20, 2016 11:40:59 GMT 11
You mean part of an even more exclusive motoring club?
I'm just a bit miffed that there are Tesla destination chargers popping up everywhere which we can't use without an adapter.
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 20, 2016 22:51:17 GMT 11
I have been noticing a lot of Teslas on the road though. I'm starting to feel like part of a minority. Yes, only yesterday driving along the M1 I sat behind a matt black P90D for a bit. It looked very... threatening, like a stealth bomber. Not sure about this matt paint fad. It makes cars look kinda unfinished, as if they forgot to put the final coat on at the factory. If the estimates that Tesla has 7000 M3 reservations in Australia are true, you'll be seeing a lot more of them. Tesla would then have about 90% of the BEV market share in Australia. Extraordinary.
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 21, 2016 19:33:51 GMT 11
Good news it's arrived! I ordered it on 5 October and it arrived today (18 October). So just under 2 weeks. Cost was 120 UK Pounds plus 13 UK Pounds for delivery. I used the EVbitz link David supplied above. Here are some Pics.Now I just have to test it out on a Tesla HPWC. Here is an update on the adaptor.I tried it out at a Castle Towers Tesla HPWC today, and it works fine. I have uploaded some videos with the Pics in the link above. I also put a pic on the plugshare for Castle Towers. Thanks David for putting me onto it. So I recon it's a goer!
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Post by EVtricity on Oct 21, 2016 22:01:32 GMT 11
Thanks for confirming Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 19:44:35 GMT 11
Markrmarkr: How much was that in Aussie dollars all up ?
Seems bob gell can do a cable for $285 + $17 pnh
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 23, 2016 8:29:13 GMT 11
Markrmarkr: How much was that in Aussie dollars all up ? Seems bob gell can do a cable for $285 + $17 pnh I paid with paypal/Mastercard. So some transaction fees. But the figure on my Mastercard statement was $231.56 (AUD) and this includes everything. Of course this will vary from day to day with currency fluctuations. cheers, Mark
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