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Post by markrmarkr on Jun 4, 2017 1:13:00 GMT 11
I finally got my Setec charger sorted.
We purchased two chargers, one for me and one for Greg on 6th of February. We received the last package of 4 (2 for me and 2 for Greg, two of the packages had cables and 2 had chargers) on 27th Feb, after TNT initially lost one of them. Tested them - Greg's worked but mine didn't work. Then I went through a whole palaver of testing with video and emailing to and fro, and I don't have 3 phase at home so had to impose on others (mainly David - the man is a Saint). In the end I sent it back to China on 26 April. I received it back (I think its a new one) and tested it yesterday, and it now works fine. Hallelujah.
So I guess I'm happy at last. Throughout the process I think Setec has behaved honourably, though at times my patience was tested. I think Setec has got a bit to learn about supporting customers, but at least we got there in the end.
I haven't used it in anger yet, but I hope to real soon.
Mark
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Post by leafmedo on Jun 4, 2017 23:28:52 GMT 11
I finally got my Setec charger sorted. We purchased two chargers, one for me and one for Greg on 6th of February. We received the last package of 4 (2 for me and 2 for Greg, two of the packages had cables and 2 had chargers) on 27th Feb, after TNT initially lost one of them. Tested them - Greg's worked but mine didn't work. Then I went through a whole palaver of testing with video and emailing to and fro, and I don't have 3 phase at home so had to impose on others (mainly David - the man is a Saint). In the end I sent it back to China on 26 April. I received it back (I think its a new one) and tested it yesterday, and it now works fine. Hallelujah. So I guess I'm happy at last. Throughout the process I think Setec has behaved honourably, though at times my patience was tested. I think Setec has got a bit to learn about supporting customers, but at least we got there in the end. I haven't used it in anger yet, but I hope to real soon. Mark Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
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Post by gregleaf on Jun 5, 2017 0:15:11 GMT 11
I finally got my Setec charger sorted. We purchased two chargers, one for me and one for Greg on 6th of February. We received the last package of 4 (2 for me and 2 for Greg, two of the packages had cables and 2 had chargers) on 27th Feb, after TNT initially lost one of them. Tested them - Greg's worked but mine didn't work. Then I went through a whole palaver of testing with video and emailing to and fro, and I don't have 3 phase at home so had to impose on others (mainly David - the man is a Saint). In the end I sent it back to China on 26 April. I received it back (I think its a new one) and tested it yesterday, and it now works fine. Hallelujah. So I guess I'm happy at last. Throughout the process I think Setec has behaved honourably, though at times my patience was tested. I think Setec has got a bit to learn about supporting customers, but at least we got there in the end. I haven't used it in anger yet, but I hope to real soon. Mark Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
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How did you reconfigure it for single phase from 3 phase? I would be keen to do the same Greg |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jun 5, 2017 21:43:20 GMT 11
Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
Wow, color me interested. If that reconfiguration isn't something very complicated it would really add to the versatility of that equipment. |
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Post by markrmarkr on Jun 5, 2017 22:41:52 GMT 11
I finally got my Setec charger sorted. We purchased two chargers, one for me and one for Greg on 6th of February. We received the last package of 4 (2 for me and 2 for Greg, two of the packages had cables and 2 had chargers) on 27th Feb, after TNT initially lost one of them. Tested them - Greg's worked but mine didn't work. Then I went through a whole palaver of testing with video and emailing to and fro, and I don't have 3 phase at home so had to impose on others (mainly David - the man is a Saint). In the end I sent it back to China on 26 April. I received it back (I think its a new one) and tested it yesterday, and it now works fine. Hallelujah. So I guess I'm happy at last. Throughout the process I think Setec has behaved honourably, though at times my patience was tested. I think Setec has got a bit to learn about supporting customers, but at least we got there in the end. I haven't used it in anger yet, but I hope to real soon. Mark Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
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That's very interesting. Did you reconfigure it yourself? Also in the pic it looks like you are using a J1772 as the single phase supply - true? I guess you could take one phase off a 32 amp 3 phase plug and use that too. Have you explored this approach? Are you in Australia/Sydney. If so maybe we could hook-up Good work Leafmedo. Mark |
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Post by leafmedo on Jun 5, 2017 23:27:48 GMT 11
Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
How did you reconfigure it for single phase from 3 phase? I would be keen to do the same Greg I'm using existing plug, socket and 3-phase cable. Check if pinout of your plug & socket is the same as mine, the doc is wrong. Do it at your own risk 
 
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Post by leafmedo on Jun 5, 2017 23:42:02 GMT 11
Good to hear your trouble is over. I have the same unit, power output of this unit is actually about 7.3 kW (Leaf (2011) internal charger is 3.3kW). I asked SETEC to configured it for 3-phase input when ordered, tested all good. Make it more useful at home which is single phase power, I re-configured it to single phase input and plug it into my 32A 240V (7.6kW) to charge my Leaf at 7.3kW, just charge a bit quicker that way.
That's very interesting. Did you reconfigure it yourself? Also in the pic it looks like you are using a J1772 as the single phase supply - true? I guess you could take one phase off a 32 amp 3 phase plug and use that too. Have you explored this approach? Are you in Australia/Sydney. If so maybe we could hook-up Good work Leafmedo. Mark - Yes I did it my self - Yes it's J1772, single phase as specification - Haven't tried that out. Don't need to do that if I have 3-phase - I'm in the beautiful National Capital of Australia - Thanks, as usual when the need arise, we spend money and tinkering.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jun 6, 2017 0:01:57 GMT 11
Nice. It does look relatively simple. There's just one thing I don't understand. You have there "jumper A, B, C phase together", but in the picture I only see an "A".
EDIT: Whoops, never mind. That "A" is just for Active *facepalm*
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Post by markrmarkr on Jun 6, 2017 0:34:38 GMT 11
Leafmedo, I could jump for joy. But that might be a bit inappropriate, given it's 1130 and people are trying to sleep.
Thank you very, very, very much for sharing this information. It is absolute gold.
I believe with this information it should be possible to facilitate any Setec charger to work with either 3 phase or single phase with very little mucking around. It could be done using a specially wired up plug adaptor external to the charger. The only mod to the charger would be to feed out a wire connected to the neutral rail, as I don't believe the existing wiring (external to the charger), or the socket on the charger would be able to take ~30 Amps.
Within the external plug all 3 of the phases are wired together (similar to the jumpers shown in your diagram) and are supplied by the active. Neutral goes in via pin 2 on the existing plug, and also via the additional feed I mentioned above.
As you say - "Do it at your own risk", and i'm pretty sure you would void your warranty, but I think it should work.
Once again thank you very much,
Mark
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Post by gregleaf on Jun 6, 2017 6:51:23 GMT 11
Leafmedo, I could jump for joy. But that might be a bit inappropriate, given it's 1130 and people are trying to sleep. Thank you very, very, very much for sharing this information. It is absolute gold. I believe with this information it should be possible to facilitate any Setec charger to work with either 3 phase or single phase with very little mucking around. It could be done using a specially wired up plug adaptor external to the charger. The only mod to the charger would be to feed out a wire connected to the neutral rail, as I don't believe the existing wiring (external to the charger), or the socket on the charger would be able to take ~30 Amps. Within the external plug all 3 of the phases are wired together (similar to the jumpers shown in your diagram) and are supplied by the active. Neutral goes in via pin 2 on the existing plug, and also via the additional feed I mentioned above. As you say - " Do it at your own risk", and i'm pretty sure you would void your warranty, but I think it should work. Once again thank you very much, Mark Ok Mark,I vote you are the Guinea Pig and try this first |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jun 7, 2017 23:19:22 GMT 11
Now here's something worth looking forward to.  But if I got this right, in the 10kW model for the Nissan leaf, it charges at about roughly the same speed in both single-phase and three-phase mode. What would be really cool was having a 15kW version, like the ones Electway have, which we could adjust that single-phase for slower speed and three-phase for a significant higher speed. |
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 12, 2017 2:53:28 GMT 11
Leafmedo, I could jump for joy. But that might be a bit inappropriate, given it's 1130 and people are trying to sleep. Thank you very, very, very much for sharing this information. It is absolute gold. I believe with this information it should be possible to facilitate any Setec charger to work with either 3 phase or single phase with very little mucking around. It could be done using a specially wired up plug adaptor external to the charger. The only mod to the charger would be to feed out a wire connected to the neutral rail, as I don't believe the existing wiring (external to the charger), or the socket on the charger would be able to take ~30 Amps. Within the external plug all 3 of the phases are wired together (similar to the jumpers shown in your diagram) and are supplied by the active. Neutral goes in via pin 2 on the existing plug, and also via the additional feed I mentioned above. As you say - " Do it at your own risk", and i'm pretty sure you would void your warranty, but I think it should work. Once again thank you very much, Mark Ok Mark,I vote you are the Guinea Pig and try this first I built some prototypes phase-adaptors which were tested successfully on - 3 single phase GPOs which were on the same circuit at my house. Also tested on J1772 at home (at 3.7KW) and at Stockland Baulkham Hills (at 6.8KW). No pictures of the prototypes as they are not for public viewing (read too dodgy to show). I took the family for a drive on Saturday. First stop was Fairy Meadow - and used the fast charger there. We barely had time for a rest break before it was finished. ***Next was Shellharbour where we tried out the phase-adaptor with the J1772 to feed the Setec. This worked great and I was able to charge at 6.8KW. I didn't go as hard as I could as I was worried about overloading the EVSE. One problem with the phase-adaptor is that it doesn't respect the limits of the charger - you need to take care of that for it. Here is a picture taken at Shellharbour.  We tried to charge at Robertson but it was a disaster. I'd tee'ed it all up on the phone before we set out. But when we arrived at Robertson the guy who was supposed to be there was in Sydney, and the 3 phase was locked up. I tried using the phase adaptor with single phase power and it looked good to start with (using the phase-adaptor with 3 x 10 amp GPOs I hope to charge at 7.2KW). I should be able to that is, and the Setec seemed to be working ok, but once it actually tried to start charging, it just gave error messages and wouldn't work. No breakers were tripped, and I had power the whole time, but nevertheless the Setec would not charge. I tried using my portable Nissan EVSE too, and that gave a fault as well. I didn't have any test equipment so couldn't find out any more. The plug checker said the GPOs were OK, but I think there must be something wrong with the power there (high or low voltage maybe). So Robertson was a complete bust. Another problem of the phase adaptor is you can't use it on more than one circuit, when there is any sort of earth leakage detection. This is because the Neutral is shared. I tested this at home (yes, I have 3 separate power circuits), and they trip out every time. When I use the same circuit, it's all good, as long as I keep the total load under 20 Amps. More than 20 Amps would cause an over current trip. But this wasn't the problem at Robertson as there were quite a number of GPOs on each circuit, and nothing tripped. Next stop Moss Vale Showground. We just made it on "static". Another 10Km and I'd have been pushing. When we got there it was the exact opposite of Robertson, there was a friendly caretaker couple who have a solar powered bus, and easily accessed 3 phase power which worked fine with the Setec. We strolled over to the local Maccas for some coffee, while the car charged. Then we went to Mittagong to top up from the J1772 at the visitors center. While the car was charging we had a tasty meal at Ecopazzo nearby. Then we went home. All up we travelled around 270km in one day. |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jul 12, 2017 3:18:45 GMT 11
What does GPO stand for?  Your charger came configured for 3-phase, right? If I got this right the adaptors you made for charging with three-phase power were all OK, but if only single-phase power is available there's where it gets tricky, right? |
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 12, 2017 3:33:37 GMT 11
What does GPO stand for? Your charger came configured for 3-phase, right? If I got this right the adaptors you made for charging with three-phase power were all OK, but if only single-phase power is available there's where it gets tricky, right? GPOs are the normal 10Amp wall sockets. Yes my charger is configured for 3 phase. I have modified it to put a Neutral tap in though. And using the phase-adaptor it can work with single phase.  I need to do some more testing with multiple single phase feeds - at showgrounds and caravan parks. But it's not really "tricky". It works fine with a single, single-phase feed, such as a J1772. I'll have to get some more pictures sorted out, but not tonight. |
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 12, 2017 13:27:58 GMT 11
here are some more pictures   |
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 12, 2017 13:45:52 GMT 11
this picture illustrates the Earth Leakage detector problem  |
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Post by stewartm on Aug 29, 2017 13:26:25 GMT 11
Hi Mark, with the dodgy supply feed, were the errors on the box listed as error 80?
I have had this with an unbalanced three phase, 213, 238, 251 volts on the different phases.
Also do you have the design for the menekes adaptor, wanting to knock on up to use with destination chargers.
Cheers
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Post by rnlcarlov on Oct 13, 2017 2:49:31 GMT 11
There's a skeptic friend of mine who keeps saying "those chargers don't exist", or "their efficiency must be ridiculously low".
So in order to counter with facts, I'd like to know how much power is it taking from the grid versus how much power it's going into the car. I wonder if it's really in the 90% range they claim in the datasheet.
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Post by stewartm on Oct 14, 2017 16:23:26 GMT 11
As I have and use one regularly, I'm not sure of the math, but it puts 7-8kw in on charge given my state of charge and time taken. Any wasted power in inefficiency would I assume go as heat. In the times I have used it, in up to 38 deg temps, the fans work hard, but the heat is not large. Certainly not like a 1kw fan heater, which you may expect if the efficiency was below 90%, and the excess was heat.
I'm happy to have a maths and switchmode specialist explain where else the power might go, but it's certainly not in heat if it's inefficient.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Oct 18, 2017 0:09:50 GMT 11
Have you ever checked your house's power meter to see how much was being used? Or does yours not show that info?
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Post by stewartm on Oct 19, 2017 11:54:38 GMT 11
No sorry, as I live in a unit and don't have 3 phase, I use it when I'm travelling away.
I have a 7.2 kw Siemens Versicharge at home.
Cheers
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Post by rnlcarlov on Oct 20, 2017 21:47:08 GMT 11
How about you, mark? Will you make another contribution for SCIENCE?
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 31, 2017 10:42:53 GMT 11
I have checked against the house draw, but this isn't as acurate as you'ld want as there is always some 0.5 to 1KW of load. As near as I can tell the Setec is close to100% efficient from my rough measurements. I'd guess this means it's probably no worse than 90%, though it could be better.
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Post by markrmarkr on Oct 31, 2017 10:54:59 GMT 11
I am prettty happy with my Setec. The thing you need to factor in is the hastle factor of lugging around and deploying the charger, as well as considering weather, thieves etc. The 10 KW Setec is pretty good on all criteria. A bigger charger would have a lot more hastle factor and if it gets damaged or stolen, it's a lot of money to squeeze from your insurance.
Also you need to be aware of the way they calculte the advertised power rating vs actual power rating. This is (the maximum Chademo charging voltage) X (the maximum current capability of the charger). or 450V x 22A = 9.9KW advertised power vs 392 x 20 = 7.8KW actual power for the Leaf.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Nov 1, 2017 1:06:00 GMT 11
Thanks Mark, that's nice to know. I know about the actual power rating. Still miles better than slow charging, especially since triplets charge only at 14A 230V, not 16A like the Leaf. Since the pack voltage is around the same, to me it represents over 2.5x faster charging. In term of power vs size-weight the electway 15kw charger seems nice, since for around the same weight is able to put 30A (up to 33-35A on some videos I've seen) on the car. But since there's a EU importer of the Setec chargers, it's definitely much easier a safer to get one of them. It looks like that 22kW charging stations are finally starting to show up in my country, where I could potentialy make use of a setec charger. The downside is that brand that won the project (by offering the lowest price, of course) is very questionable in terms of quality. Not too long ago there was a problem at one of their charging stations and one Leaf got some damage in the batery. Scary  |
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Post by praxidice on Jun 11, 2018 13:39:15 GMT 11
What is the state of play regarding the Setec portable chademo ?
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jul 20, 2018 1:30:30 GMT 11
I've recentely found the Setec Owners facebook groups and it looks like Mark is talking with Setec in order to get a charger with both single and three-phase input.
That would definitely by very nice. Since reconfiguring the input involves having to open the charger and rewire stuff, it's really not practical on a roadtrip where you'll find different types of power sources.
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Post by coulomb on Jul 21, 2019 22:28:22 GMT 11
talking with Setec in order to get a charger with both single and three-phase input. It will be tricky to make it safe yet easy to use. The obvious way is to have two inputs paralleled, but then the unused input has pins with lethal power on them. So you'd need some sort of mechanical arrangement whereby a plastic cover always makes one set of inputs inaccessible. That sounds easy enough, till you consider how to make that moderately splash proof. You could also have contactors to make only one input live at once. But that adds considerable bulk, cost, complexity, and some wasted power. The Tesla superchargers and all Teslas that can use them (basically all Tesla cars after the original Roadsters, I imagine) solve a similar problem; they use the same connector for both AC and DC charging. I can only imagine that there is a lot of switching (expensive, bulky contactors) and handshaking involved. It's also the reason that it's not practical to make use of Tesla superchargers for cars other than Teslas. |
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Post by coulomb on Jul 21, 2019 22:38:06 GMT 11
What does GPO stand for? Your charger came configured for 3-phase, right? If I got this right the adaptors you made for charging with three-phase power were all OK, but if only single-phase power is available there's where it gets tricky, right? I know that this is a very old post, but I can't help myself. It stands for General Post Office.  But here it stands for General Purpose Outlet. As opposed to something like a J1772 connector, which has a very specific purpose; it can (should?) only be used for charging an EV. |
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Post by bobc29 on Oct 29, 2020 10:40:03 GMT 11
We are now selling a single phase charger specifically designed for the Australian market. It has a 10Amp 3 pin plug which will plug into all Australian 10AMP powerpoints and a J1772 (international standard) plug on the other end which will plug into the right hand plug on all Nissan Leafs and the J1772 socket on any other Japanese imported EV. The cost of the cable is A$395 including courier shipping to anywhere in Australia. To order a cable, please either email us on leafplugin@gmail.com or ring us on 0403 153 999.
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