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Post by stewartm on Jan 21, 2016 15:44:58 GMT 11
From a Chinese Supplier I deal with, No I'm not selling them.. We'd like to inform you that 10KW portable EV DC fast charger from SETEC POWER is available now.  This portable charger will be emergency charger for every car drivers! Datasheet AC Input 3phase Line Voltage（VAC） 380 Voltage Type AC three-phase five-wire Frequency（HZ） 45～55 Power Factor 0.99 Current THD value ≤5% Input undervoltage protection value（V） 323±5V Single phase Line Voltage（VAC） 85~300 Current (A) 0~30A Frequency（HZ） 45～55 Power Factor 0.99 Current THD value ≤5% DC Output Nominal output voltage（V） 450/750 Output Current（A） 0~20A Regulation accuracy ≤0.5% steady current accuracy ≤1% Ripple Peak factor ≤0.5% The output voltage range（V） 0～450V or 0～750V Short circuit current（A） ≤30A Output Power 10kW Mechanical indicators Packaging Carton Dimensions（W×D×H)mm 420×315×173 System Weight 20Kg Protection grade IP31 Operating Temperature -25°C to +50°C Protective Function Short circuit protection/ Over temperature protection / Over-voltage / Under-voltage protection/ Communication failure BMS Communication CAN2.0 [CHAdeMO]/ [GB/T] PLC [SAE Combo] Cooling Forced Ventilation Display LED: 7 inch Touch Screen LCD: 3 Color LED lights - status indicator DC Plugs CHAdeMO/CCS/GB/T Advantages: We are factory, main parts charging module and charging plug is manufactured by us. We are CHAdeMo memeber. Strong technical support. We can free train your engineers and for first installation we can send engineers to you if you afford food and accommodation. Application:  |
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Post by Feng on Jan 21, 2016 17:11:36 GMT 11
That's pretty spiffy, did they provide a price?
Does Setec also deal in astronomy? Too many secrets. By coincidence I saw Sneakers last week, it's such an enjoyable movie.
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Post by stewartm on Jan 21, 2016 22:13:00 GMT 11
Hi Feng, waiting for a price , no idea of their other products
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Post by Feng on Jan 21, 2016 22:34:34 GMT 11
Sorry I was joking about other products. "Setec Astronomy" was a project name in the movie Sneakers which ended up being an anagram for "Too Many Secrets".
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Post by stewartm on Jan 21, 2016 22:54:12 GMT 11
$US 3,500 Fob Shenzhen
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Post by markrmarkr on Jan 26, 2016 13:10:35 GMT 11
Stewart, does he have any references - someone he has supplied it to, in Aus preferably. I'd be very interested.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using proboards
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Post by gabzimiev on Jan 26, 2016 14:53:00 GMT 11
interesting but some of the numbers don't add up single phase 300V 30amps is 9kW
couldn't find any CE UL OR EMC testing results on their website so might be expensive to imported, They've sent me an email see if they have any testing results.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jan 29, 2016 13:16:21 GMT 11
The thing that worries me is: support once you have it. The reliability of Chademo charges in general is a bit worrying.
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Post by stewartm on Jan 30, 2016 16:58:48 GMT 11
Sorry, not a lot more info at this stage. When I get some I will post it.
Cant be any worse than the first run of DBT units in Europe.
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Post by kris on Feb 9, 2016 16:04:09 GMT 11
Only 20kg, first chademo I've seen that isn't hernia material!
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 9, 2016 18:45:26 GMT 11
Yes Kris. On face value it's perfect.
I'd buy it today if I was confident of support
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Post by stewartm on Feb 10, 2016 10:19:29 GMT 11
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Post by Feng on Feb 10, 2016 10:30:04 GMT 11
I like the branding on the unit: "GREAT CHARGER". Not that I can afford either but for a few thousand more a Veefil sounds like a more reliable and better supported choice.
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Post by stewartm on Feb 10, 2016 10:48:28 GMT 11
True VeeFil is a known quantity, this one is probably from the 'peoples car charger factory number 3'...
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Post by tjgeel on Feb 16, 2016 21:07:22 GMT 11
I just saw this on the 'Australian Electric Car Conversion Group (EV)' Fbook page....I have no idea of price etc and am not affiliated with Milbay in any way. Not quite portable though. Available for order. Plug in EV wall charger. Charge current 40A 20kW Contact Milbay Australia for more information www.milbay.com.au#EV Attachments:
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Post by tjgeel on Feb 17, 2016 10:59:53 GMT 11
I just saw this on the 'Australian Electric Car Conversion Group (EV)' Fbook page....I have no idea of price etc and am not affiliated with Milbay in any way. Not quite portable though. Available for order. Plug in EV wall charger. Charge current 40A 20kW Contact Milbay Australia for more information www.milbay.com.au#EV From Milbay via AECCG Fb page.... Our charge stations are level 3 DC Fast chargers not level 2 home charger. The charge stations are suitable for both the Nissan leaf and Mitsubishi "i" models. The small wall mount charger is capable of 20kWh charge so 80% charge on a leaf (24kWh battery system) is about and hour. There is also the larger free standing 40kW model. The systems have pretty much every kind of electrical protection including lightning strike. Milbay are offering an introductory price for the first 10 installs. The final price for the introductory installs is yet to be published and will vary from client to client depending on what electrical work needs to be included to complete the installation, 3 phase is required for the DC Fast chargers. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. Neale Gray Milbay Australia www.milbay.com.auMobile: 0450418901 |
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Post by gabzimiev on Feb 24, 2016 15:24:28 GMT 11
They don't have a tick from CHAdeMO association it's very much own risk.
Dear Gabriel-san,
Thank you for your inquiry to CHAdeMO.
Your understanding is right.
Setec Power is a regular member, but has not yet acquired the
certification.
You can confirm a list of certification models in PDF linked to the
battery charger introduction page of our website.
Best regards,
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CHAdeMO Association
5F, Meiko Bldg annex, 1-18-2 Shinbashi, Minato-ku,
Tokyo, 105-0004 Japan
Tel: +81-3-6205-4577
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Post by stewartm on Jun 21, 2016 17:34:08 GMT 11
Update: Advised they have chademo cert now. They are also making the new style chademo single button connector, I used one recently at Ploermel on a upgraded DBT, much easier than the handle and button. Pricing is now $2000US for 10kw portable and $3500US for 20kw fixed. The 20kw has connectivity, rfid reader, billing etc. I'm looking at a portable for myself, 3 phase that I can call into a Showgrounds where they have 3phase sockets and top up. I'm not selling them, just updating on what I know. In reality what would people pay up to to get a full charge in an hour, in a place where there was nothing else? $5? $10? $20? Rounding up, a cost of 50c/kWh with metering is what it would cost a business just in power supply, excluding initial setup and purchase. Maybe independent service stations with no ties to the big 4 would be interested, bill for coffee and food.. 10kw  20kw with rfid  |
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Post by gabzimiev on Jun 21, 2016 18:59:08 GMT 11
they still aren't on the list www.chademo.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Certified_charger (March 2016) but it could be out of date. I don't know all the photoshoped pictures they sent me still don't think I could trust them to deliver. If they mange to send you an certificates like CE UL or EMC or even a video of it charging, I would love to see them. good luck |
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Post by stewartm on Jun 22, 2016 8:08:47 GMT 11
Once again, I'm not selling them, advocating them or supporting them. I have looked at many chademo options, EMWs in the states, open source chademo, etc. it is purely an interest to me as the leaf and other vehicles are pretty much useless for long distance travel without rapid charging.
I see on the list that DBT have only one 50kw charger certified. I have seen three different DBT chademo chargers in Europe with differing power levels, 22kw, 43kw and 50kw. Maybe they need to update the list.
I am equally cautious, the idea of frying a $6000 Li ion battery pack because some tech got the protocol wrong in translation scares me.
I am however keeping an open mind..
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 7, 2016 1:25:37 GMT 11
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 9:46:48 GMT 11
Alibaba price missing a zero
Should be usd 20000
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 8, 2016 23:27:06 GMT 11
Alibaba price missing a zero Should be usd 20000 Given Jack's selling them for US $23,000 your probably right. But note that all the Alibaba prices show as US $2000, even the smaller one we were discussing (Though it shows as 15KW not 10KW). This just illustrates the issues that makes me not want to buy one. If you can't even have confidence in what it costs, or the power rating, how can you have confidence in any of it? |
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Post by stewartm on Aug 9, 2016 14:27:35 GMT 11
As above, they start at $2000US for the 10kW, $3500US for the 20kW and upwards from there. The 20Kw units have been used a bit in the US. evrus.net/As I mentioned I got one because my LEAF as per all other OzLeaf's has a 3kw charger. Given that it will take a long time to get a DCFC rollout across Qld I needed an option. There are a lot of 3 phase 16 & 32 amp outlets in showgrounds etc. that are usable. In fact I have written to many to look at charging and costs options. As they get approved by show committees I will post them to plugshare. In reality it charges at ~9kW not 10kW. That is still three times better than J1772 and gives me around 60KM/hr charge. It will get me by when travelling. As for its reliability and longevity, I will keep you posted. Yes I am aware of Chinese goods over many years. PS Worth having a good electrician fully test the unit for earth leakage, wiring of the three phase etc and tag it prior to use. Either workmanship or a TNT trip, leaves screws and connectors loose. |
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 16, 2016 23:34:40 GMT 11
As above, they start at $2000US for the 10kW, $3500US for the 20kW and upwards from there. The 20Kw units have been used a bit in the US. evrus.net/As I mentioned I got one because my LEAF as per all other OzLeaf's has a 3kw charger. Given that it will take a long time to get a DCFC rollout across Qld I needed an option. There are a lot of 3 phase 16 & 32 amp outlets in showgrounds etc. that are usable. In fact I have written to many to look at charging and costs options. As they get approved by show committees I will post them to plugshare. In reality it charges at ~9kW not 10kW. That is still three times better than J1772 and gives me around 60KM/hr charge. It will get me by when travelling. As for its reliability and longevity, I will keep you posted. Yes I am aware of Chinese goods over many years. PS Worth having a good electrician fully test the unit for earth leakage, wiring of the three phase etc and tag it prior to use. Either workmanship or a TNT trip, leaves screws and connectors loose. Stewart, THAT'S GREAT!!Please tell us your experiences with the 10KW portable Chademo. How much have you used it? Who was your contact person/email address. How much was shipping? How about warranty and after-sale service (is it just FOB?, so no support at all). Is it the Setec one from China which we discussed above? Pictures, or video please. Did it come with the three phase plug. I was worried that these 10KW chargers may just rectify the input without doing any PFC for harmonic distortion (basically putting noise onto the supply). Have you looked at this, or noticed any problems. You really have broken some ground here. Well done. I'm so excited! I want one too. Mark |
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Post by stewartm on Aug 18, 2016 11:05:51 GMT 11
I will take some photos when I next plug in. Only use it on long trips.
It does take up the room of a small suitcase and my wife prefers the boot empty for groceries, so I leave it out unless we are travelling.
I have to say the unit is well made and internally very neat, I agree that only time will tell as to its longevity given Chinese origins, but it fills a void for me until we do have an effective south east Queensland DCFC network.
Warranty is listed as 2 years, but that is as good as its first breakdown as it is with any product you buy.
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 19, 2016 0:09:47 GMT 11
Stewart,
Thanks in advance for that. I'm really looking forward to your photos.
Also, do you have an email address for your contact.
cheers,
Mark
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Post by quaternary on Aug 30, 2016 9:05:07 GMT 11
I will take some photos when I next plug in. Only use it on long trips. It does take up the room of a small suitcase and my wife prefers the boot empty for groceries, so I leave it out unless we are travelling. I have to say the unit is well made and internally very neat, I agree that only time will tell as to its longevity given Chinese origins, but it fills a void for me until we do have an effective south east Queensland DCFC network. Warranty is listed as 2 years, but that is as good as its first breakdown as it is with any product you buy. Hi there, I'm also very excited to hear that you have bought one of these. Perhaps they appeal to Marks that own red Leafs? Anyway, love to hear about how you're finding it, charging times, durability, etc. Also, how did you exactly go about buying it, and what was the importing and shipping process like? Mark |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Aug 30, 2016 12:30:04 GMT 11
I'm tempted to splash out too.
As a rough figure, $1k for a J1772 ChargePoint on my garage wall is easy to justify that bit more for convenience, and use of fellow EV owners. The wiring in isn't rocket science.
Keep us posted will you, or an update pls?.
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Post by stewartm on Aug 30, 2016 12:54:28 GMT 11
Sadly been flat out with swine flu (3weeks).
Will get some pics etc up soon along with all details.
Have an issue with random breaker tripping on the unit which I'm working with the manufacturing guys to nut out.
I think its variations on the MEN(multiple earthed neutral) system in Oz causing earth leakage tripping.
Mine is configured for three phase, although they can be set for 240 volt single phase 45 amp.
The outlets in showgrounds etc are generally exposed and run over distance from the distribution point.
Doesn't take much to induce an adequate trip current.
The units are solid and very neatly made.
Will get back to you guys soon.
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