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Post by markrmarkr on Jan 6, 2017 23:26:43 GMT 11
The 20kw is pretty large and heavy. I can show you pics of the 10kw in my Leaf boot if that helps. My wife thinks it takes up too much room, and yes Jeff it's still in there. Mark if you would like to borrow it and try it you are most welcome. And yes I went through three people at Setec before I got the price and info I wanted and a firm quote. I have some firm quotes on the new electway units if you can message me yr email, I will forward them. My requests have been for a single sample unit FOB china. TNT are the best in price for carriage. Stew Stewart, thanks for that. I've PM'ed my email address. Please send your electway quote. When I contacted them they said they would not deal with me because I only wanted one for personal use. I guess I should have said I work for a BIG company and wanted to evaluate a single unit. The best quote I have had for the 20KW Setec is USD $5500 FOB. The 20KW is at the limit of size and weight for me. No need to borrow your unit, I think the info you have given has painted a very clear picture. I'm still interested in a 10KW, but only if I can't make the 20KW work. To me the 20KW is the sweet spot of usability, weight/size, charge time, and available 3-phase power points - in showgrounds and Tesla 3-phase HPWCs. Don't know about the price though. By the way how did you get on making an adaptor so you can use your 10KW with Tesla HPWC charger points? Thanks for all your help, Mark |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 9, 2017 21:45:38 GMT 11
I couldn't make the 20KW Setec work - it was just to expencive, so when Greg told me he had been negotiating to buy a 10KW but would get a better price if he ordered two I went in with him. So we have ordered one each.
I'd hope that we get them in about a week.
When they arrive we will have to put the Australian 32 Amp 3 phase plug on them, and work out were the charging places are, and get them on plug share....
We will present at the next AEVA meeting in Sydney for those who want to see it. You don't need to be a member to come. I think we will also present at one of the AEVA weekly meetups. PM me or Greg if you would like to come along to that.
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Post by stewartm on Feb 12, 2017 12:08:30 GMT 11
I also have a 4pin 10/20 amp 3 phase plug to a 5 pin 3 phase socket and 15 m cable. Wired the E & N together in the 5 pin socket. Not exactly MEN system, but functional.
Always check the outlet as the 10 amp and 20 amp look similar, be sure if you are using a 10 amp outlet to use the [Charge by Power] option and set to 7kW to be safe and not overload the outlet.
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Post by stewartm on Feb 12, 2017 21:13:49 GMT 11
My mate is on a property and he has 4 pin, 3 phase, 10 amp. So I set to charge at 7kW. Hence it's not at over 20 amps as usual and if you multiply it close to the 7kW limit.   This was a couple of hours ago, in the heat I must say. The fans scream in the heat. |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Feb 17, 2017 1:20:30 GMT 11
I couldn't make the 20KW Setec work - it was just to expencive, so when Greg told me he had been negotiating to buy a 10KW but would get a better price if he ordered two I went in with him. So we have ordered one each. I'd hope that we get them in about a week. When they arrive we will have to put the Australian 32 Amp 3 phase plug on them, and work out were the charging places are, and get them on plug share.... We will present at the next AEVA meeting in Sydney for those who want to see it. You don't need to be a member to come. I think we will also present at one of the AEVA weekly meetups. PM me or Greg if you would like to come along to that. If you don't mind me aksing, how much did they end up costing for each of you? |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 17, 2017 9:18:01 GMT 11
I couldn't make the 20KW Setec work - it was just to expencive, so when Greg told me he had been negotiating to buy a 10KW but would get a better price if he ordered two I went in with him. So we have ordered one each. I'd hope that we get them in about a week. When they arrive we will have to put the Australian 32 Amp 3 phase plug on them, and work out were the charging places are, and get them on plug share.... We will present at the next AEVA meeting in Sydney for those who want to see it. You don't need to be a member to come. I think we will also present at one of the AEVA weekly meetups. PM me or Greg if you would like to come along to that. If you don't mind me aksing, how much did they end up costing for each of you? Greg did the negotiation. We each paid USD $2400 for the unit. In addition there are delivery USD $195 and bank charges USD $20. But you will not get this price unless you can buy more than one unit. Good luck Mark |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 17, 2017 9:41:44 GMT 11
I also have a 4pin 10/20 amp 3 phase plug to a 5 pin 3 phase socket and 15 m cable. Wired the E & N together in the 5 pin socket. Not exactly MEN system, but functional. Always check the outlet as the 10 amp and 20 amp look similar, be sure if you are using a 10 amp outlet to use the [Charge by Power] option and set to 7kW to be safe and not overload the outlet. Stewart, is it true that: 10 Amp plug pins are a bit thinner than the 20 Amp pins. And similarly a 10 Amp socket has smaller pin holes than a 20 Amp socket? So you can put a 10 Amp plug into a 20 Amp socket, but you can't put a 20 plug in a 10 amp socket? If so, is this on all the pins or just some? Sort of like the problem with 10 and 15 Amp single phase plugs and sockets, with the earth pin. Also, have you used this adaptor much, at different places? I'm worried it may trip earth leakage protection. But if you can get away with it - all good. Also have you had much problem with sockets at showgrounds etc, not having all 5 pins? I have seen a few instances where sockets only have 4 and even 3 pin holes. cheers, Mark |
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Post by stewartm on Feb 17, 2017 10:03:11 GMT 11
Hi Mark, Haven't used it on a 20 as yet, worked on two 10 amps ok, and derated the charger. As for Earth Leakage, only issue I had was one showgrounds, and that was a 5 pin with no adaptor cord. The RCB doesn't have an issue with the E & N connect as the aussie system is MEN or Multiple earth neutral. In fact it allow the RCB to trip faster. Every showgrounds I have tried has 5 pin 32 amp. There have been no issues at all. Yesterday, Leaf was at 3 bars left, showed as 31%, Charger put on automatic, fully charged at 65 minutes. Given I have 2 bars of capacity loss, that's about 9-10kWh into it, so pretty much on the numbers. Chart on sockets..  |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 17, 2017 13:44:24 GMT 11
So 10 Bars means you have 24(1 - .15 -.075) = 18.6KWh total capacity (or a bit less) .31 of 18.6 is 5.77 KWh charge at start charge to 80% of capacity, so .8 x 18.6 is 14.88KWh start to finish difference is 14.88 - 5.77 = 9.11KWh in 65 minutes means 9.11 x 60/65 = 8.4KW This includes finishing, so yes about what you'd expect from a 10KW charger.  |
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Post by stewartm on Feb 17, 2017 14:05:52 GMT 11
One error in the math, never 24 kW, derated to 21kW. "With the 24 kWh electric vehicle battery (total capacity; usable battery capacity is about 21.3 kWh" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 17, 2017 16:31:35 GMT 11
is that the hidden bar?
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Post by stewartm on Feb 17, 2017 18:11:46 GMT 11
Just unusable capacity at the top and bottom. DOD, depth of discharge is important to longevity in Li batteries. The volt is even more conservative so they can get more years out of the pack. Given the cost per kWh when they first designed them you can understand it. As battery capacity gets cheaper, maybe the will stretch the DOD From batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Feb 18, 2017 0:59:49 GMT 11
Thanks Mark. I posted about this charger in a portuguese forum and some people also liked it, so you never know...  One of the limitations of this charger is that you either have to set it outside (if the weather allows it) or put it inside the car but leave the window slightly open. But maybe there's a workaround in the triplets. The Yazaki plug is smaller than the Chademo, but maybe it's possible to use the same trick to keep the charger in the trunk and windows closed. |
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 18, 2017 17:57:40 GMT 11
If you don't mind me aksing, how much did they end up costing for each of you? Greg did the negotiation. We each paid USD $2400 for the unit. In addition there are delivery USD $195 and bank charges USD $20. But you will not get this price unless you can buy more than one unit. Good luck Mark Customs worked out to be AUD 606.89. ETA is now Wednesday. The waiting is killing me. |
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Post by stewartm on Feb 19, 2017 20:43:06 GMT 11
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 21, 2017 18:35:53 GMT 11
The units have finally arrived (both Greg's and mine).
However the cables for both units seem to be hung up somewhere.
The frustration is HUGE!
Must...stay....cool....
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Post by stewartm on Feb 21, 2017 20:12:36 GMT 11
Weird, mine came together Mark.
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Post by gregleaf on Feb 25, 2017 21:38:33 GMT 11
Well after a few nervous days, TNT have finally located our 3 phase and CHAdeMO cables. Somehow they found there way to Perth! Hopefully we will have them by Monday and will demonstrate the charger at the Sydney AEVA meeting on Wednesday.
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Post by stewartm on Feb 25, 2017 23:04:12 GMT 11
Strange, TNT have been good so far, wonder if customs had anything to do with that.
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 27, 2017 21:07:12 GMT 11
We didn't have any issues with customs, except that it cost so much. Anyway we have now received everything.
I have organised to get an electrician to put 32 amp 3 phase plugs on, on Wednesday morning, ready for the Meetup on Wednesday night. I'd do it myself except Setec require an electrician sign off, for us to get our warrantee.
Anyone who wants to see them in action at the Meetup, please pm either Greg or myself.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using proboards
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Post by stewartm on Feb 28, 2017 9:07:09 GMT 11
Yes Mark was the same for me with SETEC, fair enough I suppose as wrong connection would scorch the unit. I have to say the warranty service I had with them was better than most anything I have had in Australia.
I find the unit easy to use, even my wife has no issues setting it up and charging at 3 phase. Only thing I mentioned to SETEC is to have larger button icons on the screen for direct sunlight application.
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 28, 2017 9:24:20 GMT 11
I hoping to use it for the first time on Wednesday night.
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Post by stewartm on Mar 2, 2017 15:26:10 GMT 11
How did the demo go Mark?
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Post by markrmarkr on Mar 4, 2017 13:31:47 GMT 11
Not so good. Firstly we had a faulty 3 phase extention cord. Greg and David sorted that on Thursday, and Greg's charger has been shown to work reliably charging three cars, from two different sockets. My charger however has not worked at all. However my cables work ok with Greg's charger.
I've written to Setec.
I hope thier support is good.
Cheers,
Mark
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Post by rnlcarlov on Mar 4, 2017 23:57:39 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Mar 6, 2017 13:36:05 GMT 11
My dealings have been with a lady called "Fancy", she speaks good English and has called me a number of times. My support when I had an issue was excellent and fast. Looked at the guy above who called them 'complete junk', interesting that he has a business selling EVSE equipment, both Level 2 & Level 3. shop.quickchargepower.com/ maybe conflict of interest. All I can say is that mine has charged the LEAF well, and when I had an issue they shipped a new unit in 4 days from China at zero cost. I have had worse support in Australia. I note again if Tritium had a unit at even double the price, I would have purchased it. |
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Post by rnlcarlov on May 29, 2017 21:05:22 GMT 11
So, how have things been going with your chargers? No problems so far?
By the way, I think I saw it somewhere, but you can regulate the charging amps, right? What's the minimum value you can set?
Lately I've been thinking that when hot weather comes along, it would be really nice to get some cooling during charging (on the triplets, of course). If the monophasic unit allows charging at 3kW, I guess it could even be used on most public charging stations, that still haven't been upgraded to 7 or 22kW (which are most of them, unfortunately).
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Post by stewartm on May 29, 2017 23:02:15 GMT 11
Still works fine, yes you can dial back the kw to suit the supply. It is bulky, but me wife has no issues using the unit.
Hope mark has got his sorted.
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Post by rnlcarlov on May 31, 2017 1:29:50 GMT 11
That's right, I forgot Mark had some problems with his. These kinds of situations are what worry me the most in these deals with Chinese suppliers. I'm not sure sure how warranty works out in real life. Hopefully Mark will give us some feedback soon.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jun 3, 2017 2:33:57 GMT 11
No feedback or reviews. Have seen videos of them working, but no real world trials. Prices look ok. Can any of you handle German?  Apparently some Germans made a group buy of 15kW Electway chademo chargers. www.goingelectric.de/forum/ladeequipment/chademo-ladegeraet-sammelbestellung-t17603-170.htmlIf Google translate didn't fail me, it ended up at €3800/piece, customs included. Considering that they can deliver up to 33A (thought I've seen in a video charging at 35A), it sounds quite nifty. I would like to ask some impressions and how they've been doing, but unfortunately I don't know the first thing about German. |
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