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Post by caskings on May 10, 2014 3:07:45 GMT 11
When I pulled up at the King George Square charger in Brisbane tonight, I finally saw another leaf in the wild.  Appropriately it was my Evil twin. There was also a Black Volt when I returned. |
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Post by caskings on May 10, 2014 3:08:49 GMT 11
And yes the charger was out of order  |
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Post by gabzimiev on May 10, 2014 7:39:11 GMT 11
Is there a recargo plugshare entry for this charger ? I can't easily id it. What's the brand ?
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Post by caskings on May 10, 2014 16:28:32 GMT 11
Not sure of the details. The car park staff activate it and validate your parking for a 50% discount.  It can do at least 15 amps, possibly higher. www.citysmart.com.au/node/3745 |
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Post by gabzimiev on May 11, 2014 10:59:45 GMT 11
al-right problem solved api.plugshare.com/view/location/46640 it has a plugshare entry now I must say unless there are some more unmapped ones Brisbane is probably the worst capital city of chargers. |
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Post by caskings on May 11, 2014 11:37:26 GMT 11
Yeah it's pretty bare. My favourite is Moorooka Nissan. 24/7 access, well sign posted, lit at night and not far out of the way for me on the way home |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 11, 2014 11:55:06 GMT 11
Yeh, Moorooka is the only one I can count on to be open.
I made an enquiry into the Gold Coast City Council for one at Beach Road Car Park, Surfers Paradise.
They are still looking at it, but hopefully they can process the permits (and doesn't cost me too much more than the $5050).
If GCCC is successful, it will take me another 6 months to save enough money to deploy another charger, which I hope will be Redcliffe (near the cultural centre).
I heard work (UQ) is preparing to put one in Multi Story Car Park 2, but no real info (no idea whether it will be public).
When I get my EWM charger (hopefully soon), then will move my home Chargepoint unit to somewhere more useful.
Les
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Post by gabzimiev on May 11, 2014 20:45:03 GMT 11
Yeah it's pretty bare. My favourite is Moorooka Nissan. 24/7 access, well sign posted, lit at night and not far out of the way for me on the way home hmm plugshare has it as only available dealer hours |
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Post by stewartm on May 11, 2014 21:05:58 GMT 11
I think we need to expand our options, given that the Leaf will consume no more than ~15 amps max, maybe we need to look around at parking places that have 15 amp outlets. I carry my Clipper Creek with me as well as the Nissan EVSE so that I have a faster option. As I mentioned before in country areas, almost all showgrounds have 15 amp power on poles for the show. These are invariably left on as many are an option for caravanners.
Rather than ask cark park etc owners for EVSE infrastructure, just having 15/20 amp sockets would be a good option.
Just my opinion..
Stew
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Post by mike on May 11, 2014 21:11:26 GMT 11
I made an enquiry into the Gold Coast City Council for one at Beach Road Car Park, Surfers Paradise Les, You have my endorsement for Surfers Paradise charger. We routinely make the trip to the Northern GC and back, but it's tight. There are some spots in the South we would be interested to travel to assuming we could get a boost while grabbing a pizza pie in Surfers Paradise. We are still making the trip and carrying an AmpFibian adapter, just in case we get into a bind on range....that hasn't happened yet. Also an option to stop a your place according to plug share...thanks for invitation. |
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Post by mike on May 11, 2014 21:17:02 GMT 11
Rather than ask cark park etc owners for EVSE infrastructure, just having 15/20 amp sockets would be a good option. After a bit of educating, I got my office to approve using one of the 15amp sockets in the car park. Now it's my primary charge point. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 21:34:21 GMT 11
brian's LEAF + e-station's "repaired" wall box does 18A  my guess is that it has a 32A module now after the repair. BTW I use the 15A clipsal power meter to measure the current drawn. and the over current LED comes on. |
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Post by caskings on May 11, 2014 21:43:48 GMT 11
hmm plugshare has it as only available dealer hours The one on the Northside of Brisbane is definitely dealer hours only. Moorooka Nissan putting in the effort to have theirs available 24/7 is one of the main reasons why I bought from them and not the Northside dealer. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 12, 2014 13:21:59 GMT 11
If I get it, the Gold Coast charger will get you to Byron Bay (or return trip to Cabarita / Hastings Point). Also should get you to Binna Burra (800M steep climb). You could probably regen all the way back to the Beach. That should really confuse the GOM. Will give that a try  I mapped the stops between Brisbane and Sydney (max 90km apart), it will take me about 6 years to pay for chargepoint chargers. I like the IP56 15A outlets. I was hoping to see if businesses / councils would permit me to install them. Then add the chargepoint later. That would include EV users that do not have J1772. Future cars will use the 6.6KW charging capability of the Chargepoint, so would have to wait much less. I wanted the CHAdeMO 20KW DC fast chargers from ABB to help current owners (only need 32A 3 phase), but they are beyond my financial means when trying to purchase one (need over 10 to start bringing the costs down). Plugshare info must be old for Moorooka. Initially a gate was shut at night, but they changed it so it only blocks off the display lot. But you cannot use the charger during the day, the service centre is just too busy (no where to park). The charger at Von Birra Nissan (Gold Coast) is behind bollards after hours, so you would need a 10M+ extension cable to reach it. The charger at Metro Nissan (Albion) is behind high fences after hours |
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Post by gabzimiev on May 12, 2014 13:32:07 GMT 11
I mapped the stops between Brisbane and Sydney (max 90km apart), it will take me about 6 years to pay for chargepoint chargers. I like the IP56 15A outlets. I was hoping to see if businesses / councils would permit me to install them. Then add the chargepoint later. That would include EV users that do not have J1772. which way did you map inland new England or coastal pacific highway ? not much north of Newcastle (your good once you get to Newcastle) wife wants to go to Forster on the weekend but that'll be another trip in the ICE not the EV. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 12, 2014 14:05:00 GMT 11
Coastal route. Places around these towns.
Would be places where you could stop and do stuff.
Gold Coast
Byron Bay
Evans Head
Maclean
Grafton
Coffs Harbour
Nambucca Heads
Kempsie
Port Macquarie
Taree
Bulahdelah
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Post by gabzimiev on May 12, 2014 15:23:07 GMT 11
probably already doable just take you 11 days to do it as there would be a caravan park at each of those towns with a 15 amp power point.
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Post by Feng on May 12, 2014 15:56:46 GMT 11
More like 6 days if you can manage two towns per day. Depart at 8am, arrive at 10am, charge till 4pm if you can manage charging >13A, move on to next town for the night. Or something along those lines. Bonus points if you can cram in three towns in a day. I once contemplated the same with driving to Melbourne and that would take about five days. It was just a hypothetical, not something I would seriously consider doing.
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Post by iamlsd on May 12, 2014 17:51:36 GMT 11
I've finally seen a fellow leaf driver here in Adelaide - Using the free Central Market chargepoint unit last Friday night. I thought their blue and our white made a great pair in the dual charging bays. Hopefully the owner is also on this blog as it would be great to hear from you. The best bit about the charger is that it is just in front of the ticket machine for the car park so you get free parking as well. Once your finished shopping you unplug, go through the ticket machine as it is one so you can't go out the way you came in, then drive straight to the cashier and there no charge.
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Post by riddick on May 12, 2014 20:38:34 GMT 11
I mapped the stops between Brisbane and Sydney (max 90km apart), it will take me about 6 years to pay for chargepoint chargers. I like the IP56 15A outlets. I was hoping to see if businesses / councils would permit me to install them. Then add the chargepoint later. That would include EV users that do not have J1772. I am really curious, how will a chargepoint pay for itself in 6 years, when most of them are free to use? Also, who pays for the electricity in your case? |
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Post by gabzimiev on May 12, 2014 20:47:44 GMT 11
riddick you miss read him he said it'll take him 6 years to pay for them (with I assume his spare money after paying bills mortgage etc)... not they'll pay for themselves in 6 years. chargepoint model is that you purchase the charger for $3-5k depending on model then the price that is charged is now up to you. i.e you can buy one for your home put it out front and charge $3 and hour or $0.30 kwh to recoup your power costs.
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Post by lesmando24 on May 12, 2014 22:22:37 GMT 11
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Post by lesmando24 on May 13, 2014 12:09:33 GMT 11
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Post by riddick on May 13, 2014 21:34:14 GMT 11
I am trying to understand the business model behind these chargers. Hence why it is good to talk to someone who is considering installing one. We are not getting chargers installed as no user is paying for them and they cost a lot of money to buy and install.
It must have a valid business model to spread, but currently it is all going backwards because it works like a charity, which cannot be sustained. Somehow charge stations need to charge cost + profit to pay for themselves, but still need to stay significantly cheaper then diesel/lpg (forget petrol that is way out, anyway). Also, it cannot be too much more expensive then home charging as no one will use it (hence Better Place death).
The only solution I see, is that businesses use it to lure in customers and cross subsidize charging costs from shopping/etc profit.
What is the model that will make it work?
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Post by Feng on May 13, 2014 21:43:32 GMT 11
I suggested crowdfunding a while back but received little interest. Maybe the market here just too small for that for now.
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Post by gabzimiev on May 13, 2014 22:53:19 GMT 11
The only solution I see, is that businesses use it to lure in customers and cross subsidize charging costs from shopping/etc profit. What is the model that will make it work? This is also the only business model I can imagine too. and to some end you need to not look at Australia as there seems to be insufficient cars for any business model to work. Tesla have the other business model include charging infrastructure in the cost of the car. Nissan in more popular EV countries have even does this too. For governments the savings come back in reduced pollution and health care costs. for private companies it's a PR exercise and a increase in business as a supportive EV driver will select shop A over B. the last hasn't been proven to work well (in australia) at all betterplace model provide chargers for free and high EV drivers with membership fees. this has a high starting capital cost and requires you to get over the EV adoption hump.. maybe EVto go in the USA and the UK reattempts at this model will work better. As a driver you need to ask how much would you pay to charge at a slow level 2 rate how much would you charge for a level 3 charger ? or how much would you be willing to spend to join a co-operative or membership based service. |
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Post by stewartm on May 13, 2014 23:27:56 GMT 11
I agree with the comments, until there is a critical mass of EV's out there, the market to put in fast chargers is not viable. I know Tritium is working on them and I hope they succeed with their product, but I don't think it will be in Oz.
I would have to say tho, that a drive to Brisbane, I would pay ~$10 for a 20-30 charge so I can then turn straight around and drive home again to the coast. Given what we pay in an ICE for 100km of fuel, isn't this a reasonable cost? But would they get enough customers to pay the maybe $20k+ for the unit and the monthly costs to have three phase power etc for the unit?
Just my thoughts
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Post by markrmarkr on May 14, 2014 8:05:27 GMT 11
I just posted this on the AEVA forum site, but I thought I'd post it here too. -------------------- I've been keeping an eye on developments at www.emotorwerks.com/ and I really think we are on the cusp of a much cheaper 3-phase to CHAdeMO which is portable (as in you can put it in your boot). There is some fugliness in the approach, but it looks viable. The cost I'm expecting will be under $5,000 AUD, perhaps well under. If this works out it will be possible for one person or organisation (say AEVA) to buy the unit and hire it out to individuals or members who want to go on a road trip in their EV(s). Of course then we have the problem that there has to be sufficient 3-phase outlets along the route. But at least it is a step in the right direction. Thoughts? |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 14, 2014 20:13:24 GMT 11
markrmarkr, I was thinking similar things.
But one thing I really wanted to do was take the 12KW unit and put a J1772 socket on it.
I think you could take the negotiation result of the chargepoint to the 12KW charger, then pass that value to the CHAdeMO controller.
Then I could charge near 7KW speed instead of 3.3KW.
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