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Post by pharmadave on Jul 29, 2017 22:36:36 GMT 11
I know this is a Leaf forum but I'm curious what your thoughts are about the Tesla Model 3 which has just been announced?
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Post by Phoebe on Jul 29, 2017 23:02:05 GMT 11
It's been more than announced it's been released. The first 30 went to Tesla employees. I don't want one. I'm happy with my LEAF - something bigger and grander has no appeal for me. I'm a little lady and my LEAF is just the right size for me  |
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Post by Feng on Jul 29, 2017 23:49:56 GMT 11
I like it but it's probably beyond my budget unless my circumstances change in the next few years. I plan to hang on to my LEAF for a few more years and get my money's worth anyway. I might even stretch it out and replace its pack if that's ever an option.
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Post by stewartm on Jul 30, 2017 6:46:35 GMT 11
I'm not sure about it. I am going to test drive a Hyundai ionic ev next week at Lorient to see what's its like. Been driving the Zoë for a few weeks, still prefer the leaf. Leaf is much more refined. Will post what the Hyundai is like, its well priced between the leaf and Zoë here.
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Post by mike on Jul 30, 2017 19:09:03 GMT 11
Checking out the videos, the Model 3 certainly has some interesting features that distinguish it from most, if not all cars, in that price range. The rear wind screen extending over the heads of the rear passengers is a quite innovative way to move the seats rearward for excellent space while allowing for plenty of headroom. The center console is brilliant and points towards a future when autonomous driving (even in these just released Model 3's) will make all the dials and gauges meaningless anyway. The ability to assign the car to future autonomous ride sharing service makes the car a profit generator and changes the entire concept of car ownership. I think it will be a game changer, like the Model S was to the luxury car market. Personally, I'm still more interested in the Model S as a future replacement for my Leaf....maybe when the next refresh occurs...I've rented one for a week in San Francisco and was very impressed...much better than the Audi A8 I rented in Germany last year.
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 31, 2017 17:37:06 GMT 11
We currently hold a reservation for the Model 3 for when it arrives in Australia.
I am mainly looking at this as a replacement for our current ICE car.
The things that appeal for us as a family is the safety aspect, that comparison with the Volvo S60 pole test was amazing. The road-trip capable super charger/ destination charger network is a big plus.
Will be quite a chunk of change for a spec-ed up version, good thing is we've got a couple of years before it arrives here and will work hard in the mean time to put away some money for it. I'm gonna call it the Tesla fund.
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Post by jacky on Jul 31, 2017 20:03:17 GMT 11
My dilemma is "Longer range - US$9000" vs "Autopilot US$5000 + Premium package US$5000". That is something benefits you once a year vs something you use it everyday. According to some sources / predictions, Model 3 will be available in here on the 3rd quarter 2018. Not much time for savings. |
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 31, 2017 22:20:03 GMT 11
Due to the robustness of the drive train and the predictions of just how little the Tesla battery chemistry degrades over time, it will be a long term keeper for us.
With that in mind, i will option the longer range + premium package to begin with and then once I see a need for enhanced autopilot + full self driving capability then I'll pay to have it unlocked.
I am working on the timeline of it being available to me in early 2019 since i am a late reservation holder. But you're right, I need to pick up a few extra shifts to add some extra coin into that piggy bank.
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Post by EVangelist on Aug 9, 2017 9:34:33 GMT 11
My dilemma is "Longer range - US$9000" vs "Autopilot US$5000 + Premium package US$5000". That is something benefits you once a year vs something you use it everyday. According to some sources / predictions, Model 3 will be available in here on the 3rd quarter 2018. Tesla have a delivery estimator for people who have reservations, and for all RHD countries that says "Early 2019". About 6 months later than suggested by none other than Elon Musk in a tweet a few months ago. So for people like me who lined up at the store to reserve, Tesla will have had my deposit for nearly 3 years before I get my car. I'm a bit disappointed but nothing I can do about it. I just hate having to drive my ICE while I'm waiting. Model 3 will become our primary car, so I'll get the long range battery. While Tesla's supercharging network here in 2019 will be even better than it is now, I need the car to cover as many use cases as possible. By 2019 it is quite likely that not only will there be different options, they will be bundled differently, or have become full a-la-Carte. |
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Post by EVangelist on Aug 9, 2017 9:38:14 GMT 11
I am working on the timeline of it being available to me in early 2019 since i am a late reservation holder. As per my previous post, the first RHD model 3's will not appear until "early 2019". If the Great Tesla Ramp-Up goes to plan, by 2019 they should be producing about 10,000 Model 3s per week. That means the entire Australian order book from the first reservers to the last could be built in about 2 weeks. Now they won't build all the Australian orders at once, but what it does mean is that by 2019 the wait for the "late reservers" might only be a couple of months - not a couple of years. So while I'll get my car first, you won't be far behind |
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Post by duncan on Aug 31, 2017 20:09:47 GMT 11
I'm not sold on it at all. It still has the same use case as a Leaf (ie around town) but costs more. I love what Tesla are doing in the industry but they were smart to start with a premium sporty tourer
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Post by EVangelist on Aug 31, 2017 23:35:03 GMT 11
I'm not sold on it at all. It still has the same use case as a Leaf (ie around town) but costs more. Yes it costs a lot more but Model 3 with long range battery will go over 500 km. How is that the same use case as a Leaf (120 km)? Model 3 will be my primary car and replace my Toyota Camry. Leaf cannot do that. |
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Post by duncan on Sept 1, 2017 0:00:44 GMT 11
If you drive 500klm per day, you spend a lot of time driving I live 278klm from my work so I know how that feels and I only do it once per week. The way I see it Nissan was right in the first place with their range vs daily usage for 95% of people. Yes there are times people need to drive further but it's a fair position that borrowing/hiring/car sharing etc is a more reasonable option than owning a long range car and only using once a month, or less. Yes, range seems to be something the market looks for, and manufacturers' marketing teams are happy to chase it. I just don't see the practical relevance almost all of the time |
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Post by stewartm on Sept 1, 2017 6:53:34 GMT 11
There is another perspective on range. Even though my trips are daily 30-50km, and the leaf covers that, I would take a much longer range vehicle.
The reason is recharged times. The leaf would be charged every second day, therefore 180 times a year. We know that each recharge removes a percentage of total capacity over time. A 400km capacity EV would only be charged 40-60 times per year, a quarter of the degradation from recharge episodes.
Overall the battery would last longer, and also the loss would not be as significant.
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Post by rusdy on Sept 1, 2017 12:57:35 GMT 11
There is another perspective on range. ... Overall the battery would last longer, and also the loss would not be as significant. If cost not an issue (also bigger batteries has domino effect due to the weight), then bigger batteries definitely it. However, with current cost, I'd be happy with smaller batteries but cheaper purchasing cost (150 - 180km range is plenty for me). The battery chemistry is very important though. Longetivity is essential. As the first gen Leafs (ours) can testify, it's not lookin' good. Here is my battery history:  Attachments:
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Post by eburbsleaf on Sept 2, 2017 18:36:17 GMT 11
And this seems to be an area where Tesla have it licked - Ive been reading multiple articles about tiny percentage loss after 50,000 miles - which certainly hasn't been the LEAF experience i have had. Whether its cooled batteries or the chemistry itself (or a combination of the two) - the longevity side is on Tesla .. theres quite a few massive mile model S taxi's kicking around ...
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