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Post by kooskoets on Nov 23, 2016 22:30:51 GMT 11
Hi folks,
I am new here and no owner yet!
We're a Kiwi couple and will be moving to Oz early next year. We're in the market for a Leaf in the 20-25k range but I noticed 2nd hand prices in Australia are pretty high compared to NZ.
Has anyone tried importing a Leaf directly from Japan? Or should I just bring one from NZ?
Frank.
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Post by jake on Nov 24, 2016 0:03:32 GMT 11
The prices are high here because at present the current laws prohibit imports of Leafs into Australia. I am jealous of New Zealanders who have access to Japanese Leafs. The law may be set to change in the future.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Nov 24, 2016 7:52:49 GMT 11
Me too.
I wonder what the gouge will be if I try to import a Renault ZOE.
They have not appeared here.
Moving to Aus is like moving back in time, but a paper tiger has suggested that the world could be spherical!.
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Post by kooskoets on Nov 25, 2016 22:23:48 GMT 11
Aaah bummer, that's a pity.
Just now things are starting to move in NZ.
I did some further reading and apparently in 2018 all ev's and hybrids will be allowed in..... if not already sold in Australia. So that's not really going to be helpful I'm afraid.
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Post by stewartm on Nov 27, 2016 17:46:18 GMT 11
Love the Zoe, RHD from the UK is pretty reasonable. I bought mine with low km, 14000. For €7000, top of line Zoe Intens. Not as refined or quiet as the Leaf, but better range. New one with 41kwh is listed as 400km NEDC, so 300km real world. Here it is at my place next to my leaf.  And at free charge points nearby, three phase AC is so much simpler.   |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Nov 30, 2016 17:01:11 GMT 11
Aaah bummer, that's a pity. Just now things are starting to move in NZ. I did some further reading and apparently in 2018 all ev's and hybrids will be allowed in..... if not already sold in Australia. So that's not really going to be helpful I'm afraid. We like our visionary Government here!. Going to get a ZOE sourced in U.K., no good from Spain for me at other place,. I'll keep it at Pa's place for a year, and then crate it over. I suppose it's a possibility grabbing one via NZ as well. |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Nov 30, 2016 17:05:58 GMT 11
Thinking on. U.K. Have MPH odometer/speedometers.
can they be switched from km/h to mph via a driver interface?.
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Post by hieronymous on Nov 30, 2016 17:52:20 GMT 11
Thinking on. U.K. Have MPH odometer/speedometers. can they be switched from km/h to mph via a driver interface?. The UK Leafs can, we have some here now. They are produced for UK and Europe. The Zoe's are sold in both zones, so probably... |
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Post by duncan on Dec 3, 2016 8:55:30 GMT 11
Neither LEAF nor Zoe is available for import under the current rules, although there was talk about the current govt opening them up significantly as there is no more local manufacturing to protect.
The only option is a "personal import" of a car you can prove you have owned and used overseas for 2 years. From Japan that includes proof of rego and parking rights, not sure about imports from europe
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 3, 2016 13:22:46 GMT 11
I was of the understanding that if it had been imported by manufacturer, and then dropped(for some strange reason), any import of that vehicle was subject to Gov asphyxiation taxes etc, etc, etc. But!, if was not mass imported, it fell outside the regime. Which brings me to a ZOE.
I buy one in the U.K., let family use it once or twice, and then package it to here.
Of course the usual trash testing/red tape as an import to follow.
Am I misguided?.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 3, 2016 13:24:14 GMT 11
Plus they hardly could say they were protecting local manufacturing, as we only build the 21st century version of the Trabant!.
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Post by duncan on Dec 3, 2016 13:42:09 GMT 11
There's a good run down of the current (and proposed new ones) here: prestigemotorsport.com.au/faqs/ under What cars can be imported to Australia ? Neither Zoe nor Leaf are eligible under current sevs rules |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 4, 2016 7:02:04 GMT 11
The Renault ZOE was never imported by manufacturer.
The Nissan LEAF was.
It's down to applying to import under the environmentally suitable rule.
Belgium dealers can do the best value for cars via U.K., it's a on-going business there.
Once bought, I'm figuring a quick stop in UK, then on a slow boat to land here. My parents bought a Merc, and even though they bought it eight months prior, it was new when registered at the time!.
The 12month fiddle will have to be clarified first.
The part where it has to be less than 12month old, then it has to be proven one has owned it for 12 months is just a little Feral Governmentally wired!. There's an interesting rort.
Compliance is already ratified, but as ever, the dings that look at them need to be interrogated on the finer art, and the convoluted wording needs clarification.
I'm quite happy to pay close to value, as benefits all-round are greater.
Vive Communism!.
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Post by stewartm on Dec 12, 2016 15:09:56 GMT 11
After talking with the SEVS guys, I thought I would give it a try and submit the UK Renault Zoe ZEN R240. Knowing how they drive etc I thought I would give it a go. The older units will be cheap as they have launched the 41kw battery in the new model. NEDC 400km range, so 300km real world, and this in a country with over 20,000 chargepoints.. Nice little real world driving km calculator on the site.. www.renault.fr/vehicules/vehicules-electriques/zoe.html Will let you guys know how I go with the SEVS |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 29, 2016 15:17:48 GMT 11
Any joy yet?.
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Post by stewartm on Jan 8, 2017 21:14:51 GMT 11
Oh well, was worth a try, no go though;
Dear Sir
With regard to our phone conversation on the 04/01/2017 concerning your Specialist and Enthusiast Vehicle Scheme application for the Renault Zoe.
To recap; The Make of vehicle, Renault, is in MA vehicle category in full volume which means the Model Zoe is required to meet two out of four specialist and enthusiast vehicle criteria (question 18 of your application).
The Associate Administrator has reviewed the responses in your application to question 18 and has determined the criteria has not been satisfied.
Please contact the Department with any questions or further information.
Kind Regards
John Carmichael
RAWS
Vehicle Safety Standards
Surface Transport Policy
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 11, 2017 18:32:23 GMT 11
Ok, we get it.
The EV is simply far too naughty for Australians.
Put simply. Die Reich says NO.
One must multiply the value by 3.5, and then pay. After all, it wouldn't do to have any technology that makes the petrol burners look silly would it..
I'm not convinced the statement Specialist vehicle fits correctly, are the TESLA , BMW & LEAF beyond, or unique?.
Maybe I'll give this nay sayer a nice pressured conversation. Tie the dilluded fool in a knot.
Got his contact number?.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 11, 2017 18:43:58 GMT 11
..... after all, the Holden & Cart are not produced in such volume, so that dashes that claim, or they could fall into the not allowed.
TESLAs offerings are identical, BMW is not in such volume, & the LEAF showed signs of a market, sadly not at such a mark-up.
The Nissan GT-R was pushed sideways on this crud, but we see the new one on the roads.
Time to go sit with our local MP methinks, and ask them to smell coffee, & educate the clowns that blindly make rulings.
Or IS AUSTRALIA only pretending to be green?.
There's the question to ask.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 12, 2017 6:44:21 GMT 11
I'd like to question the list, and take it to parliament.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 9:54:58 GMT 11
Wow just spotted the REVA ev on the list Tesla roadster is present Alke - www.alke.com |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 13, 2017 9:24:32 GMT 11
Pretty interesting looking transport!.
Probably start at $15k though here.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 13, 2017 9:26:46 GMT 11
Hmmm, all these great offerings, and remarkably few have actually been purchased... still, if you dare, you can buy one. |
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Post by duncan on Feb 5, 2017 8:31:21 GMT 11
Sorry...a bit slow on responding to this. If you do want to try harder with getting the Zoe on the list, just get in contact with someone who does it all the time, they will work out the correct wording to get it sorted. eg Geoff at Prestige Motorsport or Troy at Iron Chef imports. However, getting the car onto the SEVS list is by far the easy bit. After that you need at least one Registered Automotive Workshop (RAWS) which get approved to comply the car with costs min $10s of thousands per model (although funnily enough a pure EV may be cheaper because the hardest part is the emissions compliance for a FFB). This is the link to find RAWS, you should never buy a car from the SEVS list without first gaining agreement from a RAWS to comply it, people have and the result is a car that can never be registered... raws.infrastructure.gov.au/rawswebpublic/RAWPubSearch.aspSo if you are serious about getting a car sorted, finding a RAWS who wants to take on the model is a critical step. BTW it can also be very expensive for compliance; from about $2,000 from a common japanese import like a skyline up to about $45k for a US import with RHD conversion |
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Post by stewartm on Feb 6, 2017 11:05:56 GMT 11
Thanks Duncan, not sure it's worth it if they do change the legislation at the end of the year after Holden and Toyota close.
Then we will be like NZ in regard grey imports.
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