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Post by stewartm on Sept 10, 2016 17:14:00 GMT 11
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Post by Phoebe on Sept 10, 2016 21:32:46 GMT 11
Downloaded the lot, just in case  |
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Post by 4wardthinking on Sept 20, 2016 9:40:11 GMT 11
Did the same. Some interesting stuff to be read here.
I'm looking for the title EVA. B & C are there, and guessing is could be just as revealing.
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Post by duncan on Sept 22, 2016 20:46:13 GMT 11
I find these really useful, have had them for a while.
Just a quick reminder that they are US models so there are some minor differences.
Along the the requirement for OBD ports on all cars with engines (not us sadly), the US govt made providing full workshop manuals a pre-requisite to selling a car in the country to ensure the official importer did not also have a monopoly on after sales service....great foresight compared to our mobs
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Post by 4wardthinking on Sept 23, 2016 9:05:07 GMT 11
I find these really useful, have had them for a while. Just a quick reminder that they are US models so there are some minor differences. Along the the requirement for OBD ports on all cars with engines (not us sadly), the US govt made providing full workshop manuals a pre-requisite to selling a car in the country to ensure the official importer did not also have a monopoly on after sales service....great foresight compared to our mobs The monopoly by the franchises is the part that concerns me here. My experience(and never again) is a paper waving, wannabe mechanic gets to play & learn on my $50k investment(admittedly not the best investment), and when you return for the fourth time to get the service issues corrected, and give up in exasperation, leaves one with a bleeding lip. The simple task of replacing the securing clips in the engine bay was a laughable point of conjecture ......so I had to. Of course the next "service" time was asked if I'd like to pre-book it!!. No prizes for guessing my reply. In my mind, was apart from the incorrect oil, what else was not done correctly. It's my fault for buying "one 'o dem straaaange Hybrid thingies" I guess. Never again. In Europe the dealerships had similar dealings with my brand new cars too. Simply put ......sloppy. At the end of the day, vehicles ain't exactly rocket science if one has the correct information to hand, and this is great reading. Any time info is available, I'll be sure to post it too. |
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Post by duncan on Sept 23, 2016 21:33:47 GMT 11
Well the good thing about these manuals is they are exactly what the dealer's apprentice uses, so you have access to the same level of detail they do. The other thing they have is a "consult" which plugs into OBD and does the error codes and reprogramming, these are available on ebay from about $400. I am also not excited about paying $150 an hour for an apprentice to follow these manuals...
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Post by 4wardthinking on Sept 24, 2016 7:34:35 GMT 11
I have consult up to 3+ now. eBay one is vague on install, and the CAN is a little odd way of connecting via MCI rather than MCI as it uses wireless, converted to feign VCI I've noticed.
The apprentice 'should' use them, but up to now, I've never noticed one actually using one.
If the apprentice is reading these, he's not being productive.
I agree. If the tech working on my vehicle is no better than a manual, why would I pay $140/hr if I can do the same.
It's the trail of damage they leave behind them on this nicely paid learning curve, that I paid big dollars for the test bed for.
I pay for an "expert" that's what I want working with my investment, not some paper waving novice.
I only trust one garage to touch my vehicle if I need it, and I know his practices very well.
Sadly most manufacturers are coerced into taking the fresh apprentices on, or who else would employ them at such high rates of pay.
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