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Post by Phoebe on Sept 6, 2014 13:51:41 GMT 11
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Post by Jim Hare on Sept 7, 2014 12:50:30 GMT 11
Wouldn't that be nice!
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Post by jacky on Sept 7, 2014 18:36:57 GMT 11
I still don't understand why there are no supports in EV here. Even if we put the climate change aside, EVs still have benefits on improving energy efficiencies in transportations.
Are there any political parties supports EVs in their policies?
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Post by Phoebe on Sept 7, 2014 22:19:38 GMT 11
I think the previous Labor govt. in Victoria had some - but think they're gone now. I'm in NSW, nothing here.
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Post by Brian on Sept 7, 2014 22:49:32 GMT 11
Sadly, there are no incentives for EVs in Australia because -
1. The fossil fuel industry has a strangle hold on our politicians
2. The fossil fuel industry enjoys the obscene subsidies that it gets from our politicians
3. Our politicians love the taxes they get from vehicles too much to give them up, and certainly too much to exempt EVs.
On the other hand, in China they have exempted EVs from sales taxes in order to address their urban air-pollution problems.
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Post by Jim Hare on Sept 8, 2014 8:59:28 GMT 11
Brian nailed it. Until our politicians actually put the country's longterm best interests first, it's unlikely we'll see anything good from this...
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Post by jacky on Sept 8, 2014 18:58:19 GMT 11
Brian nailed it. Until our politicians actually put the country's longterm best interests first, it's unlikely we'll see anything good from this... Agreed. These parties put their own benefits before the nation's. It is very wrong! |
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Post by gabzimiev on Sept 8, 2014 22:29:07 GMT 11
Sadly, there are no incentives for EVs in Australia because - 1. The fossil fuel industry has a strangle hold on our politicians 2. The fossil fuel industry enjoys the obscene subsidies that it gets from our politicians 3. Our politicians love the taxes they get from vehicles too much to give them up, and certainly too much to exempt EVs. On the other hand, in China they have exempted EVs from sales taxes in order to address their urban air-pollution problems. except if your in a part of australia that is remote and running of diesel gensets. something came over my desk at work today about one of our small island looking to move to solar, wind and EVs. proposals included 20kW CHAdeMO unit. considering the size of the island it is a bit of a waste. unless they can use the cars as battery storage. |
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Post by Brian on Sept 9, 2014 1:44:57 GMT 11
Which island ?
I know Rottnest Island, off the W.A. coast has two LEAFs and gets about 33% of its electricity from a single wind turbine.
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Post by lesmando24 on Sept 9, 2014 14:22:02 GMT 11
Awesome to have an Island not need any mainland energy input. Also, there is no incentives as a lot of Australians are slow to adapt to new technologies. I get sniggers and other nasty comments when showing my LEAF at car events. When the greater majority of Australians start liking EVs, then the support will be like Petrol / Diesel support. Even in the EV community, no one will help me pay for charging stations  Les |
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Post by Brian on Sept 10, 2014 1:25:09 GMT 11
Those who snigger and make nasty comments cannot ( or do not want to ) recognise the future staring them in the face. This is the price you pay as a pioneer, breaking new ground. But the benefits far outweigh this small ' price '.  |
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Post by stewartm on Sept 24, 2014 3:38:30 GMT 11
As mentioned over here in France, various departments support cash back on EV's. My department (Morbihan 56)has spent ~€500,000 on installing free rapid chargers in most large towns, and some smaller ones. These are three way, Chademo, AC Rapid and the the multi plug. www.sdem.fr/VE/ Have to say I love having 4 rapids within 20km of home in each direction. A couple of weeks back I did 400km+ in a day using rapids. And yes the battery temp comes up over the day with 110 and 130km/h highways sections as well. Its great, pull up, swipe free card, plug in charge, McD's next door for a 20 minute coffee and paper read, then drive off. To top it off the normal car registration here is around €180, for a pure EV it is €75/year. That and buying incentives are what makes it all work. |
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Post by projectatlas on Dec 7, 2014 21:35:19 GMT 11
I have a totally different opinion of the situation here. Subsidy is not really the answer for EV mass adoption. My case in point: Singapore transport.asiaone.com/news/general/story/only-3-electric-cars-roadSingapore is half the size of Gold Coast. 6 Million people. Virtually all traffic is stop and go. In theory it's the most likely place for EV to flourish. EV are not more expensive in Singapore compared to any other ICE cars. Nissan leaf was for sale for AUD$150k. This is about the same price as comparable midsize Japanese sedan. They did not sell a single LEAF in the entire 3 years on the market! Now BMW is launching the i3 in Singapore with $5m marketing budget. List price is AUD $230K. I expect them to sell pretty well. Time will tell. So what is my point? Buying a car is about emotions, not A to B and back. LEAF is a boring car to look at. Even if its sold for $25000 today in Australia with subsidy, most people still would not buy it. Tesla got it right. It's slick and fast. Does not matter if its expensive or not. It could easily cost AUD$150k here at launch. People still would buy it. If Nissan take the chassis of the LEAF and put it into the 370Z convertible, people will definitely give it a go. When I am finally getting the i3, I will race all the ICE cars I can find at traffic light. hahaha, that actually get more people converted. just my $0.02 opinion, please do not be offended. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 18:46:44 GMT 11
When will u be getting your i3?
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Post by ravolt on Dec 20, 2014 11:42:19 GMT 11
I have a totally different opinion of the situation here. Subsidy is not really the answer for EV mass adoption. If Nissan take the chassis of the LEAF and put it into the 370Z convertible, people will definitely give it a go. When I am finally getting the i3, I will race all the ICE cars I can find at traffic light. hahaha, that actually get more people converted. just my $0.02 opinion, please do not be offended. I agree, subsidies cause resentment and problems, look at coal industry. Perhaps rather than subsidies or a tax break, build a fast charge network around the city and major country routes, even city to city? Build it and they will come. I have grown to really like the LEAF design. Nissan's challenge to balance new with normality was met. Curiously, most women I know really like it's derrière an the men it's understatement. So an electric sports like the ESFlow would do the trick? But I would change it's Australian thunder box name. Attachments:
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Post by riddick on Mar 31, 2015 15:16:36 GMT 11
Tesla got it right. It's slick and fast. Somehow you are implying that because the LEAF looks less like a sports car, it is not fast. You can race with the LEAF just like you could with with the i3. I do it most of the time, it is fun :-) In fact the i3 specs look very much like the LEAF's :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 10:43:06 GMT 11
indeed I consider the i3 to be a from $73k (driveaway) LEAF.
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