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Post by stewartm on Apr 26, 2014 18:11:06 GMT 11
www.nissan.fr/FR/fr/vehicle/electric-vehicles/vehicule-electrique-haute-normandie.html(drop the link into Google translate to read in english) Upper Normandy give €5000 bonus to go with the government €6300 to give €11300 to buy a new full EV. This halves a Nissan leaf to €11590 or $17,200AUD. Imagine that, a local and federal government incentive to the tune of $16,864AUD to buy an electric. Then the off peak power to charge at home is €0.05c/kWh. Noting also that Nissan/Renault chargers are free in France, most large supermarkets have them as well. And we are the lucky country? J'aime la France
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Post by Brian on May 6, 2014 0:58:14 GMT 11
Bien sure.
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Post by riddick on May 7, 2014 13:40:14 GMT 11
It is called the Australian Tax and lack of government vision... and things will only get worse next week.
Funny thing is that the only thing that will save the power companies from a death spiral is exactly EVs! Trying to disincentivise solar will not save them.
Sad thing is that we will be left behind.
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Post by markrmarkr on May 7, 2014 15:31:57 GMT 11
It is called the Australian Tax and lack of government vision... and things will only get worse next week. Funny thing is that the only thing that will save the power companies from a death spiral is exactly EVs! Trying to disincentivise solar will not save them. Sad thing is that we will be left behind. I don't believe even EVs will save them. Have you seen the pic below. Or in other words: "The electricity used in the oil refining process would be better used to power EVs, because it would take you at least as far as the refined fuel will using a conventional vehicle." It means as more EVs come onto our roads replacing ICE cars, LESS electric power will be used. This has been confirmed by a guy named Jack Rickard and I saw that Robert Llewellyn got similar figures (he uses imperial gallons though I think). Perhaps the power companies know this and that's why they are dragging their feet installing public charge points, and charging outrageously for home installations. Attachments:
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Post by riddick on May 7, 2014 20:14:54 GMT 11
Wow, I never thought oil production used so much electricity... I guess these are the hidden costs we never get to see.
However, where it may still save the power companies is that we could have gone off grid before we had our Leaf, had I bought batteries and a regulator. Post Leaf, we don't make enough power to do so (at least not consistently). Hence, I will have to keep paying them the service charge. I am sure that the oil companies don't pay as much of a service charge as many little households. The service charge must be a great revenue source, they can keep raising it and there is nothing we can do.
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Post by stewartm on May 7, 2014 20:35:14 GMT 11
France power is almost carbon free, 80% nuclear, 14% RE(wind/hydro etc) and 5% fossil.
The power costs there are half to a third of here. So the choice of EV mobility is very cheap, every Renault dealer has a free hour for the Zoe, that usually fills it.
The Zoe is a nice drive, smaller than the leaf and not as quick off the mark, but a good car.
The Normandy discount brings the Zoe to under €10,000
Mind you unlike Australia, France government still owns and manages most utilities and infrastructure.
I can see anything changing in the near term here.
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Post by gabzimiev on May 7, 2014 21:23:04 GMT 11
I am sure that the oil companies don't pay as much of a service charge as many little households large electricity customers are charged dramatically different to home they are more exposed to the NEM spot price as well as instead of a service charge they pay for line losses (distance from power planet) and network capacity chargers (basically you take the peak draw, you've done in 1 year lets say you turn 10 10kW drives on at once so 150kW draw from the grid at once times it by number like 37c/day then 365 and you pay that for a year). so every time you seem them talk about removing peak demand by using vehicle to grid that is the cost they are trying to minimise by using the car batteries to take the short spike in demand which increase the network capacity charge. |
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Post by jeffjl on May 8, 2014 14:05:35 GMT 11
So the Federal Government is increasing the excise on fuel. Does this count as an incentive to buy electric cars?
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Post by Phoebe on May 8, 2014 15:20:49 GMT 11
Hope so  |
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Post by stewartm on May 8, 2014 18:57:35 GMT 11
Fuel excise rising, not going to effect my driving  |
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