bmsweb
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Post by bmsweb on Mar 4, 2015 12:50:39 GMT 11
Hi guys, another silly question from a Total EV Newbie. I was looking at a Leaf today and I couldn't see any actual battery percentage figure on the Dash or the Energy Information Screen. Does the 2012 Leaf have a percentage?
The reason for the question is I asked them to fully charge the car before I come in which they said they did, but I couldn't see a percentage number so wasn't really sure, all I know is the Range indicated 155kms
I feel like such a newbie lol
Cheers
Paul
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Post by gabzimiev on Mar 4, 2015 14:12:59 GMT 11
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Post by gabzimiev on Mar 4, 2015 14:16:27 GMT 11
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 4, 2015 14:54:46 GMT 11
An indicated range on the GOM (guess-o-meter) of 155 km is very likely from an 80% charge.
A SoC % (State of Charge) on the dash is an upgrade on the Gen II Leaf, and not found on our 2012 Gen 1's.
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Post by Feng on Mar 4, 2015 16:02:59 GMT 11
Not to sound too negative but I miss the days of seeing +150kms on a 80% charge. These days it's anywhere between 106-119kms on 80%.
In a way I look forward to the future when I've racked up enough kms and wore out my battery enough to justify a new one.
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bmsweb
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Post by bmsweb on Mar 4, 2015 16:11:03 GMT 11
Thanks for the info gabzimiev, Leaf Spy looks like a fantastic application! will have to buy the full version if I end up getting a Leaf  I have an Android Nexus 7 so I should be OK hieronymous, The Battery Bar Graph indicator had all the levels lit up, so could it still have been 80%? |
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 4, 2015 16:29:43 GMT 11
100%!
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bmsweb
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Post by bmsweb on Mar 4, 2015 16:33:16 GMT 11
Thanks guys, just out of curiosity how much will a replacement battery cost?
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Post by gabzimiev on Mar 4, 2015 17:31:09 GMT 11
Thanks guys, just out of curiosity how much will a replacement battery cost? no one has had one so as far as I'm concerned any number you get regarding this is pure speculation. |
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 4, 2015 19:13:00 GMT 11
You might get a bit of an idea if I tell you that the EVSE (the charging cable) is over $3,000...
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bmsweb
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Post by bmsweb on Mar 4, 2015 19:49:57 GMT 11
You might get a bit of an idea if I tell you that the EVSE (the charging cable) is over $3,000... Wow I never realised the cable was Gold Plated  |
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Post by quaternary on Mar 4, 2015 20:44:46 GMT 11
Hi Paul Another option is Leaf Stat, which is an iPhone app, and links to a wifi dongle. LeafStat doesn't give you all the bells and whistles as Leaf Spy, but handy for those with iPhones like me, and gives you the basics like state of charge (%), GIDs, and indicator of battery health. I'll attach some pics. Cheers Mark   |
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bmsweb
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Post by bmsweb on Mar 4, 2015 21:38:13 GMT 11
Thanks Mark I'll always have my iPhone with me so this could be a better solution. I never realised you could get WiFi versions too  |
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Post by EVangelist on Mar 4, 2015 23:30:33 GMT 11
Another option is Leaf Stat, which is an iPhone app, and links to a wifi dongle. LeafStat doesn't give you all the bells and whistles as Leaf Spy, but handy for those with iPhones like me, and gives you the basics like state of charge (%), GIDs, and indicator of battery health. I've read that LeafStat will also work with a Bluetooth OBDII dongle - can anyone confirm that? |
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 5, 2015 5:12:21 GMT 11
I have both bluetooth and wifi senders that work with Leaf Spy but I can't get them to work with Leafstat - I've given up on that app. Leaf Spy Lite is also free to test; you have to pay for Leafstat.
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Post by southernvolt on Mar 5, 2015 8:20:37 GMT 11
The windows phone app gives you % without having to have a dongle/ canbus plug.
Also Nissan has told us the cost of battery replacement right now so no speculation. The speculation is about future pricing as the cost diminishes.
$6000 for a new battery pack now may be $3000 in the near future.
Also there is the potential you could but aftermarket packs for various cars in the future just like you can buy aftermarket bits for your ICE car now.
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 5, 2015 8:47:40 GMT 11
The windows phone app gives you % without having to have a dongle/ canbus plug. Oh really? So how does it communicate with the Leaf? |
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Post by Feng on Mar 5, 2015 10:08:11 GMT 11
Via Carwings. There's a SIM card in the car and Nissan can dial into it to get info, turn on charging and climate control. Not as much detail as through the OBDII dongle. I compulsively check the battery temperature and amp hour readings which you can't get through Carwings.
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 5, 2015 12:50:49 GMT 11
Via Carwings. There's a SIM card in the car and Nissan can dial into it to get info, turn on charging and climate control. Not as much detail as through the OBDII dongle. I compulsively check the battery temperature and amp hour readings which you can't get through Carwings. Ah, that. I suppose I don't see that as a driving app, so much as an owner's app... |
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Post by EVangelist on Mar 5, 2015 22:29:36 GMT 11
Not to sound too negative but I miss the days of seeing +150kms on a 80% charge. These days it's anywhere between 106-119kms on 80%. I've never seen 150km range on 80% charge, even in the first week of ownership. We get (non-ECO) GOM readings of about 160 km on 100% and 120 km on 80%. And as per my other thread, that works out for us at about 120km and 90km actual driving range in ECO. |
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Post by EVangelist on Mar 5, 2015 22:34:18 GMT 11
Also Nissan has told us the cost of battery replacement right now so no speculation. The speculation is about future pricing as the cost diminishes. $6000 for a new battery pack now may be $3000 in the near future. Also there is the potential you could but aftermarket packs for various cars in the future just like you can buy aftermarket bits for your ICE car now. My (fanciful?) expectation is that in about 10 years time, when I might be thinking of a battery replacement, there will be aftermarket 2012 Leaf batteries available that have 4x the capacity of what we have now. Like a firmware upgrade for your car, you intall your new battery, charge it up, and the GOM reads 640km. |
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Post by Feng on Mar 6, 2015 0:57:25 GMT 11
I've never seen 150km range on 80% charge, even in the first week of ownership. We get (non-ECO) GOM readings of about 160 km on 100% and 120 km on 80%. And as per my other thread, that works out for us at about 120km and 90km actual driving range in ECO. You had me questioning my memory so I looked up an old spreadsheet and it showed I had about 132km on 80% when the car was near new so I guess I was mistakened. Sorry! I'm amazed by Phoebe's 188km full charge though. Wow! |
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Post by Phoebe on Mar 6, 2015 4:56:32 GMT 11
Feng, that is on ECO.
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Post by Feng on Mar 6, 2015 10:10:08 GMT 11
That's still pretty damn good!
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Post by quaternary on Mar 6, 2015 10:44:22 GMT 11
I have both bluetooth and wifi senders that work with Leaf Spy but I can't get them to work with Leafstat - I've given up on that app. Leaf Spy Lite is also free to test; you have to pay for Leafstat. The OBD dongle I bought (as pictured a few posts above) I got it off Amazon for about $60; shipped from China, and took about 2 weeks to arrive. The Amazon title read: "2013 Super mini ELM327 WiFi for iPhone OBD-II OBD Can Code reader", and the seller was KCRIUS(TM). There are cheaper ones available, but I got this one because it was reported to work, has an on/off switch which most don't, and has a slim profile, which means it stays well clear of the legs. |
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 6, 2015 11:47:46 GMT 11
Thanks for the info - appears to be still available as KCRIUS (TM) Super Mini ....
I have Leaf Spy working well with a choice of bluetooth or wifi, so I'm more than happy with that.
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Post by quaternary on Mar 6, 2015 18:24:13 GMT 11
Fair enough - if I had to choose between the two, Leaf Spy certainly seems to be more fully featured. Hmmm, perhaps I should be commandeering one of the kids' Android devices ... and get a blue tooth dongle
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Post by hieronymous on Mar 6, 2015 20:47:02 GMT 11
Fair enough - if I had to choose between the two, Leaf Spy certainly seems to be more fully featured. Hmmm, perhaps I should be commandeering one of the kids' Android devices ... and get a blue tooth dongle There is so much in Leaf Spy I haven't got to grips with it all. If you get enthusiastic you might look at this site where I got my bluetooth and wifi units from. Use their Contact Us link and tell them exactly what you want, especially the CAN bus detail. |
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Post by southernvolt on Mar 6, 2015 22:30:06 GMT 11
The windows phone app gives you % without having to have a dongle/ canbus plug. Oh really? So how does it communicate with the Leaf? It's actually by a third party developer and uses the Carwings connection. The iphone and android apps only give you the range figures but the Win phone one gives you that and percentage. |
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Post by southernvolt on Mar 6, 2015 22:34:17 GMT 11
I have both bluetooth and wifi senders that work with Leaf Spy but I can't get them to work with Leafstat - I've given up on that app. Leaf Spy Lite is also free to test; you have to pay for Leafstat. The OBD dongle I bought (as pictured a few posts above) I got it off Amazon for about $60; shipped from China, and took about 2 weeks to arrive. The Amazon title read: "2013 Super mini ELM327 WiFi for iPhone OBD-II OBD Can Code reader", and the seller was KCRIUS(TM). There are cheaper ones available, but I got this one because it was reported to work, has an on/off switch which most don't, and has a slim profile, which means it stays well clear of the legs. HOLY COW $60! Must be the Rolls Royce of OBD. I got mine off ebay for $7.05. |
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I have an Android Nexus 7 so I should be OK 
