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Post by unclewoja on Sept 28, 2016 8:29:32 GMT 11
A P85D around LA for a few days.
All I can say is, goodbye Leaf! Well, not right away of course, I don't have the money to put into any Model S. However, as good as the Leaf is, and as much as I like driving my Leaf compared with the POS ICE powered Ford Foulcan it replaced, the Model S makes the Leaf look like an ICE dinosaur.
Of course, that's just my opinion and everyone's will be different. It wasn't just the power that was (obviously) much better. Just everything about it was awesome. Getting back into the Leaf, you can clearly see that the Leaf is a typical ICE inspired car with a different power train. The Tesla is the iPhone (as much as dislike Apple, I'll make this exception to use them in an analogy) to the Nokia 6110.
It's not the first time I've been in or driven a Model S. I have a business associate who has 2 Model S's, but I've never spent as long in one as I did in LA. Yeah, I know I'm comparing a $250k car to a $40k car, but a huge amount of that price difference is battery cost, motor cost, and LCT.
Anyway, the experience has made me resolute in my decision to put down reservation payments on 2 x Model 3's on launch day. If Nissan continue with their Leaf platform, they're going to be in a world of hurt when the Model 3 launches.
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Post by jake on Sept 28, 2016 10:08:19 GMT 11
Yes the Tesla s is awesome but way out of my league. Even a model 3 will be way too expensive for me. I barely afforded my second hand leaf, so really even a new Leaf is too expensive. There will be a lot of cars trying to compete with the model 3 in the next 5 years. I'm going to wait until I can buy a second hand something after my Leaf reaches the end of it's useful life. Hopefully in about 10 years.
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Post by rusdy on Sept 28, 2016 12:25:23 GMT 11
Yes the Tesla s is awesome but way out of my league. Even a model 3 will be way too expensive for me. I barely afforded my second hand leaf, so really even a new Leaf is too expensive. There will be a lot of cars trying to compete with the model 3 in the next 5 years. I'm going to wait until I can buy a second hand something after my Leaf reaches the end of it's useful life. Hopefully in about 10 years. Hear hear. As much as an EV lover myself, I hate to admit cost is prohibitive. I am one of the damn lucky one to get 'cheap' second hand leaf. The 'cheap' leaf was still more than twice I would like to spend on the car, but, I'm so biased for anything electrics  Too bad Aus already followed US too much (car-centric). I really enjoyed my time in not-so-big-town in Germany when going around was easy with a bicycle (girly bike too, with no one bat an eyelid). Did I mention the train too? I never knew before that living without car was possible. |
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Post by EVangelist on Sept 29, 2016 0:42:13 GMT 11
A P85D around LA for a few days... Yeah, I know I'm comparing a $250k car to a $40k car, but a huge amount of that price difference is battery cost, motor cost, and LCT. To be more precise... the P90D (the P85D is no longer sold) costs $207k in NSW plus CTP and Rego. Extremely expensive, yes. $250k, not quite. Also the P upgrade costs a huge amount ($46k!!) for a fraction of a second improvement in 0-100. I have no idea how anyone justifies adding that option. The "fairest" comparison, if there is such a thing, is S60 vs Leaf, $113k vs $40. So 3x as much, for a car with almost 3x the battery size, much larger and roomier, nicer appointments etc. I've never driven a Tesla, but I now see one in Sydney usually at least once a week, whereas I see another Leaf maybe once every 2-3 months. I agree, Leaf is in trouble when Model 3 comes out unless Nissan pulls a rabbit out of the hat in 2017. Model 3 "launch day" has already happened, back on 31 March. I lined up at the store and made a reservation even before seeing the "first reveal" of the car later the next day. If you are remotely interested, you should put down your deposits now. The "second reveal" (where the final form of the car will be shown) is likely to be in 3-6 months when I suspect there will be another spike in reservations. |
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Post by unclewoja on Sept 29, 2016 8:32:07 GMT 11
Model 3 "launch day" has already happened, back on 31 March. I lined up at the store and made a reservation even before seeing the "first reveal" of the car later the next day. If you are remotely interested, you should put down your deposits now. The "second reveal" (where the final form of the car will be shown) is likely to be in 3-6 months when I suspect there will be another spike in reservations. I re-read what I posted and it didn't sound like I intended. I blame jet lag. What I meant was I feel like I made the right decision by putting my reservation in for 2 x Models 3's on Launch day. That said, I'm still about position 125,000 in the queue over-all. Where that puts me in the Australian queue I have no idea. The Tesla I drove also had sunroof, premium sound, air suspension, 21" wheels, sub-zero package (Why the hell the owner wanted that in California is beyond me), carbon fiber spoiler, auto pilot, and the premium upgrade package which included things such as the power lift hatch. All up, that's a $250k+ car in Australia. |
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Post by EVangelist on Sept 29, 2016 18:30:34 GMT 11
I made the right decision by putting my reservation in for 2 x Models 3's on Launch day. That said, I'm still about position 125,000 in the queue over-all. Where that puts me in the Australian queue I have no idea. A web company using global search data for "Tesla Model 3" around launch date, and total reservation data from Tesla, estimated Australian reservations at 7000. Since RHD markets are at the end of Tesla's queue, and that they plan to ramp up to 200k cars by end 2018, I estimated that by the time they start making RHD cars they need to be making about 5000 cars per week if the ramp-up is going to plan. That means they could make every RHD car ordered (about 10% of the global fleet) in around 8 weeks in Q2 2018. So in short, position in the Australian queue won't make much difference to when you get the car. That's my theory anyway. The Tesla I drove also had sunroof, premium sound, air suspension, 21" wheels, sub-zero package (Why the hell the owner wanted that in California is beyond me), carbon fiber spoiler, auto pilot, and the premium upgrade package which included things such as the power lift hatch. All up, that's a $250k+ car in Australia. Oh I see, a "maximum plaid" Tesla. Yeah, that'll do it. |
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