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Post by Phoebe on Aug 17, 2016 14:32:23 GMT 11
Yep, but I am grinning
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Post by 4wardthinking on Aug 19, 2016 8:06:13 GMT 11
When Hyundai brought their ix35 FCEV here last year, the Federal Minister for Industry and Science was at the launch to extoll the virtues of hydrogen based transport. Gotta wonder if it's because they can tax the hydrogen! It is, but the energy used in production to distribution points is phenomenal. Actually greater than fossil fuel services. Remember the reason fuel is mooted as bad for the environment is the world is seeing the "empty" on the resource tank. Now who's up for the next "Worlds greatest Mis-truth"??. Fossil fuel needs to be mined/drilled etc, and as such remained out of reach of Jo car driver, electricity is everywhere there's a fridge. If there's a strangle hold on supply, you create a market. So the greedy Gov helped Persue Hydrogen. Sadly we actually were shown, and created liquid! Hydrogen at school. Now all the major manufacturers have abandoned the Hydrogen fuel cell as expensive, very heavy, a potential bomb etc... Hi-Undies are as per usual still examining the idea(of someone else's), but it's far more energy intensive than they first thought, and would have a hard time 'spinning' a lie suggesting it isn't. While the media here would pump it into our homes etc, it still lacks credibility to most... although most are convinced it's like LPG, and would simply go into their rattley piston engine, with little conversion to do!!!. The sheer weight of a Hydrogen vehicle causes another problem too. Bridge re-enforcement is another big spender. Sadly our near-sighted Gov has its back to the wall. We could be force fed a cheap and nasty 21st century communist version of the Trabant, but only "if there's enough money in it for me". Our wasteful economy is based upon milking the transport cow. Something will break for sure, but given the total spin on how light green we want the world to see us, it's now a time to prove it. That's why we are giggled at when the summits were run. No Gov here has the testicular fortitude to admit that a car is not mandatotory for all. Remember "it's un-Australian not to have a oil burning tax paying lump". Damn it all, even the unemployed get free Rego. It must be obvious the Car is the Gov's great Milsch Cow. Raise the price of petrol, and the economy finds another gear!. Now lack of ideas has landed all Australians in the mire. It's obvious what's next. "Sorry guys, we made another blunder, so you guys will have to pay for it". Stupidity once more took over. To fund EV charging, they tried to put ridiculous import taxes on EV's, but manufacturers could not sell them at that price, so said Allez tours Monsieur, and left. Now we can't tax the very few to pay for the Petrol users, and their God given right to a car. If they thought it through, there is a clear benefit, but sadly there is no one as blind as the one that doesn't want to see!!.
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Post by stewartm on Aug 19, 2016 8:28:07 GMT 11
I can share the French situation. The government there want people to get off fossil fuel as they have none and import all. They have an excess of power, admit that 3/4 is nuclear and about 15% renewable, but it's cheap and they have it. As a result they subsidise EVs at between €6000 and €10000 for new buys, the top rate is if you trade your old diesel car, lots in France. They also charge half the initial registration rate at €75. Same half rate with two yearly renewals after the mandatory controle technique or roadworthy. The local departments also subsidise the charge points along with electricity suppliers for initial installs, most are still free to use. Edf the government power company also give you a green cheaper rate for home charging of EVs. Ergo the uptake of EVs is high and you see ads on tv regularly for EVs. The public acceptance is also high, as opposed to here where two years ago I got abused at the local chargepoint at forest glen for being unaustralian by driving an EV. This by the owner of a v8 Calais. I have both a leaf and a Zoe in France, and a Leaf here. I honestly have never had range anxiety in France even on long trips.
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Post by caskings on Aug 19, 2016 10:32:26 GMT 11
I can share the French situation. The government there want people to get off fossil fuel as they have none and import all. They have an excess of power, admit that 3/4 is nuclear and about 15% renewable, but it's cheap and they have it. As a result they subsidise EVs at between €6000 and €10000 for new buys, the top rate is if you trade your old diesel car, lots in France. Not a fan of Nuclear, but it's still way better than burning coal or fossil fueled cars. Since they have built them already they may as well maximise what they can do with it.
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