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Post by duncan on Feb 23, 2013 18:28:15 GMT 11
Early in the Leaf buying process, the Nissan Oz salesperson kindly organised for Origin to come out and quote a cost to install a charger. The resulting quote of $2750 was extremely expensive to put a box on a wall so I had a look around for alternatives. This is what I did: 1/ Order a CirControl CCL-WBC(J1772) from Patrick at e-station: www.e-station.com.au/homecharge.html Cheap, trouble free, good communication and good price. It arrived by Aus Post 2 days after it was shipped. 2/ Phyiscal install of the unit (into brick wall). Take cover off (6 screws) and mark the location of the mounting points 3/ Use hammer drill and the right size bit for your wall plugs to drill the 4 marked holes. I used 8mm wall plugs because I like stuff that doesn't fall off unexpectedly. If you are installing on a plasterboard wall I would definately make sure you are screwing into studs; although the unit is light you are going to be stowing and unstowing the charger almost every day I preferred mounting it reasonably high (short person eye level) so that there is plenty of space to store the cable 3/ Mount the unit into the 4 anchor points with appropriate screws 4/ 3 more holes for the cable holder, use the bracket as a template to mark the points and drill them out. The instructions suggest you can mount the top 2 points of the bracket in the same spot as the lower 2 points of the unit, this is not correct because the bolt spacing is not the same. Physical install complete 5/ Obtain an electrician. 240v stuff is not DIY. I paid $280 for the wiring, conduit, extra circuit in the switchboard etc . Voila, all in working order, for under $2k We took 2 measurements, this unit draws up to 16A while charging, and 100mA to run the status lights at all other times
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Post by Brian on Feb 24, 2013 0:51:26 GMT 11
We have the same unit. Our two separate measurements read 18A and 17A respectively. We ordered ours with a pre-wired 15A plug, for portability. I made mounts so that it can easily be lifted off the wall, for portability or re-location to a different dwelling.
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Post by David on Feb 24, 2013 19:48:53 GMT 11
I knew I was been taken for a ride by Origin, but I couldn't wait to have the leaf to ride in all the time, so I forked out the $2750 (Plus some for the electrician as it was slightly further away from the power board than allowed within the $2750. I am not (in the least) handy, so pay I did. No regrets though, still enjoying every drive and the monthly debits for the charger (24 installments with no interest) are barely felt. Good information to have though for future buyers
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Post by Brian on Feb 27, 2013 1:43:06 GMT 11
Herewith pix of my charger mount mod - Used old polycarbonate because it was non-conductive and easy to work Slots fit over screws on wall mounting plate Charging in progress pre-mounting mod. Charger plugged into one of the two 15A sockets. To the right of these are two 10A sockets for general purpose. ( GPOs to sparkies )
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Post by duncan on Feb 27, 2013 7:14:14 GMT 11
Excellent approach, and thanks for sharing pics.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 13, 2013 21:01:07 GMT 11
Duncan, I have 2 questions:
1. What do you have to do to get it to supply 32 amps? I ask this as I have a 30 amp circuit in my garage which I'd like to use for charging the car. I understand that 2013 Leafs can charge at is it 6.6KW so this should be possible.
2. Do you know the NEMA enclosure rating of the charger? I ask because my preferred location is under a car port (attached to the garage) which has some exposure to the elements.
Thanks for the post. It was very informative
Mark
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Post by duncan on Jul 14, 2013 10:01:37 GMT 11
Hi Mark, 1. The charger can supply the 6.6kw, but unfortunately it is the charging controller on the car that can only support/require 3.3 kw. Interestingly there are a group in the US working out how to retrofit 6.6kw charging into the 3.3kw cars using an additional charging controller from Brusa. Details and status here: www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=12323. I will make that change but not until post-warranty, too expensive if I get something wrong 2. Apparently! The manual (http://www.e-station.com.au/PDF/EN_MU_4900049e_CCL_CP1E_MOD3_YAZAKI.pdf) says: This unit has been designed for outdoor use. It has an IP65 protection degree, in accordance with ANSI/IEC 60529-2004 Welcome to the forums! Are you a new or prospective Leaf owner?
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 14, 2013 16:54:52 GMT 11
Hi Duncan,
thanks for your reply. Initially I thought that there was some deal between Origin and Charge point whereby you were almost forced to go with the Origin deal if you wanted to be able to access the charge point chargers, but from looking at the charge-point web-site and reading posts here, I can see that there is no reason at all. I was just doing my own research into using another charger, when I came across your post.
I'm actually in the throws of negotiation to buy a new Leaf right now. At $39,990 outright, and before negotiations, the price is now within my means. Mine will be cayenne red, and I should have it within a month.
You know I haven't seen a single Leaf on the road. I'm starting to feel a bit lonely and I haven't even got mine yet. I imagine you guys must feel like... the rare breed, taking the path less trodden, and all that... Well I'm about to join your ranks.
Thanks for your warm welcome, I'm sure I will be a regular. I have lots of other stuff to talk about too.
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Post by duncan on Jul 14, 2013 16:58:29 GMT 11
Great to see the more reasonable price is causing more interest....hope to see you around soon
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Post by Phoebe on Jul 14, 2013 17:05:38 GMT 11
Hi Mark, Welcome to the Forum. You know cayene red is several hundred dollars more than black or white, don't you? You can throw us any quetions you like right now. You don't have to wait until you take delivery of your LEAF. There are several of us in Sydney. at least a couple in Melbourne. one in ACT, at least one in Perth and I am in Maitland, near Newcastle in NSW - so we are around
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Post by Jim Hare on Jul 14, 2013 22:06:16 GMT 11
Greetings Mark! You won't regret it. Owning a LEAF is an amazing experience and a joy every time you get in.
Keep us informed on your progress!
All the best,
Jim
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 14, 2013 23:17:36 GMT 11
Thanks everybody, I'm looking forward to becoming a regular. Oh, and Phoebe, it may cost more, but... did you know - the red ones go faster! Mark
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Post by Jim Hare on Jul 14, 2013 23:19:56 GMT 11
Heh, you're doing the right thing Mark. We got everything they could throw in and never looked back!
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 14, 2013 23:32:56 GMT 11
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 14, 2013 23:34:47 GMT 11
Jim, I think I'm hijacking this thread. Maybe we should move my last post somewhere more suitable.
Mark
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Post by Feng on Jul 15, 2013 0:06:26 GMT 11
Hello Mark,
You'll be in very good company when you get your LEAF. We just got ours a month ago and it's as good as everyone says it is. Extremely happy with ours!
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Post by Phoebe on Jul 15, 2013 9:55:29 GMT 11
Thanks everybody, I'm looking forward to becoming a regular. Oh, and Phoebe, it may cost more, but... did you know - the red ones go faster! Mark ;D
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Post by Feng on Jul 23, 2013 10:06:37 GMT 11
Has anyone else come across these EVSE?: www.cloud9cars.com.au/what-we-do/charging-solutions. They're the Australian distributors of Clipper Creek, I believe the company formed from ex-Better Place staff. The prices are reasonable although the installation fees for the fixed unit are a bit steep. Is it worth getting a 32A EVSE just for those few extra amps to max the car's charger out? What sort of charge times are people getting with 32A and 15A EVSE? I've asked the distributor if they can supply a 15A portable unit which I can take to caravan parks and charge from home on a 15A socket. That would be ideal for me!
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Post by leafboi on Jul 23, 2013 11:46:32 GMT 11
I'm pretty sure the LEAF doesn't charge at 32amps more like 16amps.
The ability of the fixed stations to provide 32amps sort of future proofs them for the next lot so cars that will have large ronboard chargers.
The LEAF takes 3.6kw per hr..? So 16amps x 240v circuit = 3.84kwh about what my ChargePoint is putting out when charging the LEAF.
The supplied EVSE from nissan draws what 9.2amps?
Offering up my charge times is hard... My onboard charge timer has an end time of 4.50am so it decides its own cheating time so I've never seen how long for either EVSE to charge it.
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Post by Phoebe on Jul 23, 2013 11:49:31 GMT 11
Yes I knew Tim Watts at Better Place. Feng, a 15 amp plug charging unit that you can plug in at a caravan park comes with your LEAF. It should be in a black case in the boot. I use mine all the time. Or have I misunderstood you and are you refering to something else?
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Post by Feng on Jul 23, 2013 12:49:05 GMT 11
Phoebe, the EVSE that came with the car has a 15A plug but only draws 9.75A. I think it was done that way so people won't do stupid things with it and try to plug it into a powerboard or something. I'm trying to get a true 15A EVSE.
I got an email back from a Clipper Creek salesman and he mentions the 10A EVSE only delivers 8A to the car so there seems to be some loss when charging. So a 15A charger might not max out the LEAF, even though its 3.3kW should accept 13.75A max.
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 4, 2013 12:19:16 GMT 11
I've finally taken the plunge and signed a contract to buy a Leaf. I'm getting it from Wess at Steve Jarvin Nissan.
Delivery date is estimated as 23 August
I CAN'T WAIT!!!
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Post by leafboi on Aug 4, 2013 15:15:40 GMT 11
I've finally taken the plunge and signed a contract to buy a Leaf. I'm getting it from Wess at Steve Jarvin Nissan. Delivery date is estimated as 23 August I CAN'T WAIT!!! Great news!!! Sticking with the topic here... What sort of charging unit are you going to use? )
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Post by Jim Hare on Aug 5, 2013 10:44:17 GMT 11
Fantastic Mark! Congrats!
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Post by Phoebe on Aug 5, 2013 11:28:07 GMT 11
I've finally taken the plunge and signed a contract to buy a Leaf. I'm getting it from Wess at Steve Jarvin Nissan. Delivery date is estimated as 23 August I CAN'T WAIT!!! Well done, Mark
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Post by markrmarkr on Aug 5, 2013 12:46:29 GMT 11
Sticking with the topic here... What sort of charging unit are you going to use? ) It wont be from origin, that's for sure. I'm looking at this: www.e-station.com.au/homecharge.htmlfor a 30 amp system costing $1790 plus shipping, and I can install it myself. and this: www.cloud9cars.com.au/what-we-do/charging-solutionswhich is 15 amps and costs $950 plus installation ($500-1000). I think the installation will be trivial so probably $500. But I think even this is way too much for 30minutes work. I know I can't use 30 amps with the Leaf as it only has a 3.3KW on-board charger but I have this nagging feeling that a higher capacity wall charger is a good idea for future-proofing. Thanks for the encouraging words folks. Cheers Mark
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Post by leafboi on Aug 5, 2013 18:12:19 GMT 11
Good choice supporting either of those two Aussie companies! Don't forget to order your ChargePass from ChargePoint so you can use the public stations.
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Post by duncan on Aug 5, 2013 19:52:53 GMT 11
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Post by Jim Hare on Aug 6, 2013 10:09:42 GMT 11
What a load of crap! For that argument to work they need to factor in the energy it takes to drill the oil, refine it, transport it across the world, truck it to my local station and running the station. Thanks for taking a step backwards instead of forwards! Besides, most of us power our cars from our own solar panels. PLUS, even if today this is the case, we need to move everyone's thinking forward as we can solve these problems over time, but the solution is NOT petrol cars. Come on people, just think for a moment!
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Post by Phoebe on Aug 6, 2013 13:36:42 GMT 11
That article is over a year old and very out of date
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