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Post by empowerrepower on Dec 27, 2014 16:33:05 GMT 11
Hi,
I've been lurking on this forum for several weeks, but this if my first post. My husband and I had a chat over Christmas, and have decided that we'd like to get a Leaf in 2015, and I've contacted Nissan to arrange a test drive. There are lots of things that I'm wondering about, but one that maybe someone on this forum can answer is this - if the Leaf on sale in Oz arrived in the country circa June 2012, and the unsold ones have been sitting around for 2 1/2 years, does this mean they will have less than perfect battery performance at the time of purchase? Secondly, is the model for sale in Oz the 2011 or the 2012 model? I've noticed that there is no mention of the model year on the Nissan site. I'm very glad to have found this forum, full of real-life Australian EV experience. I live on the Sunshine Coast, so will be joining a fairly small group of EV'ers in Qld. Feeling quite excited, and very much a believer in EVs and getting out of oil.
Regards, Liz
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Post by leafboi on Dec 27, 2014 19:36:10 GMT 11
They are 2012 Models. The 2011s would only be the EU spec trial cars that were running around. Which were only recently sold via a ballot. With battery performance id suggest you won't notice that it's possably been sitting around for almost 2 years. The newer owners on this forum should speak up now... But they don't seemed to have mentioned any problems. With the current finance offer and pricing a new LEAF is a no brainier.  Take the leap! |
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 27, 2014 19:40:19 GMT 11
qlders seem to be coming out of the wood work with EVs at the moment had nearly all my enquiries from qld. should of registered recharging qld as a business name instead.
the battery will be less than prefect but only a little bit less than prefect. no one has really noticed yet. and you get the battery warranty from the rego date.
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Post by hieronymous on Dec 27, 2014 19:45:31 GMT 11
Hi, I've been lurking on this forum for several weeks, but this if my first post. My husband and I had a chat over Christmas, and have decided that we'd like to get a Leaf in 2015, and I've contacted Nissan to arrange a test drive. There are lots of things that I'm wondering about, but one that maybe someone on this forum can answer is this - if the Leaf on sale in Oz arrived in the country circa June 2012, and the unsold ones have been sitting around for 2 1/2 years, does this mean they will have less than perfect battery performance at the time of purchase? Secondly, is the model for sale in Oz the 2011 or the 2012 model? I've noticed that there is no mention of the model year on the Nissan site. I'm very glad to have found this forum, full of real-life Australian EV experience. I live on the Sunshine Coast, so will be joining a fairly small group of EV'ers in Qld. Feeling quite excited, and very much a believer in EVs and getting out of oil. Regards, Liz Hi Liz The Leafs sold in Oz (and NZ), and on sale now are all the Gen 1 model (2011-2012) - Gen 2's came out in 2013 but have not been made available here yet (if at all). If by battery performance you mean battery capacity, then yes, the Leafs on sale typically report about 96% of the battery capacity of a newly manufactured vehicle, so the range is slightly reduced in theory. In practice, so many variables affect the range of ANY car, that you won't feel a loss of range until you have owned your Leaf for maybe 2-3 years. If, however, you are contemplating driving very long distances in a Leaf based on what you have read about the maximum range, you might seriously want to consider purchasing a different vehicle, a hybrid or PHEV perhaps, with no range anxiety looming. |
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Post by leafboi on Dec 27, 2014 20:40:12 GMT 11
The Leafs sold in Oz (and NZ), and on sale now are all the Gen 1 model (2011-2012) - Gen 2's came out in 2013 but have not been made available here yet (if at all). Gen 1 yes, but they have all been manufactured 2012. None from 2011 were ever sold through AU dealers. |
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Post by Phoebe on Dec 27, 2014 21:19:31 GMT 11
Hi Liz, Welcome to the Forum. Our new members who have bought their LEAF recently don't appear to have a problem with battery performance. Those of us who bought ours way back when they were new still have encountered no problems yet so good luck. You will enjoy the car and if you are charging on solar power, as I am, it costs virtually nothing to run.
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Post by jacky on Dec 27, 2014 22:26:41 GMT 11
I received my LEAF on mid-September. In theory, Li-ion battery performance will degrade over time. However, I didn't experience any issues with the battery.
In Melbourne, we don't have extreme hot or cold weather. It is good to our batteries.
The dealer may tell you the battery warranty is only THREE years but it is FIVE years according to Nissan.
I charge my car during off peak. I spent less than $30 a month in electricity and it already travelled over 5500 km. Even with today's petrol price, I saved almost $600 on fuel.
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Post by empowerrepower on Dec 28, 2014 0:05:01 GMT 11
Thank you for all the replies - very helpful.
Regards, Liz
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Post by southernvolt on Dec 28, 2014 0:27:45 GMT 11
Thank you for all the replies - very helpful. Regards, Liz Bought mine late august and recently hooked up Leaf spy which is an android app that talks to the cars computer system to show you lots of things including battery state of health etc. It showed my battery as 98% but after a couple of quick charges showed 99% health. Looked again recently and it was showing 98% so sitting in storage until I bought it hasn't affected the battery at all. |
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Post by quaternary on Jan 6, 2015 21:01:00 GMT 11
Thank you for all the replies - very helpful. Regards, Liz Bought mine late august and recently hooked up Leaf spy which is an android app that talks to the cars computer system to show you lots of things including battery state of health etc. It showed my battery as 98% but after a couple of quick charges showed 99% health. Looked again recently and it was showing 98% so sitting in storage until I bought it hasn't affected the battery at all. Hi southernvolt Those figures sounds pretty good. I'm just wondering what numbers from Leaf Spy you are quoting? Is it the SOH or the Hx? Or something else? (Although it sounds like AHr may be the key statistic). Thanks Mark |
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Post by southernvolt on Jan 7, 2015 12:58:01 GMT 11
Bought mine late august and recently hooked up Leaf spy which is an android app that talks to the cars computer system to show you lots of things including battery state of health etc. It showed my battery as 98% but after a couple of quick charges showed 99% health. Looked again recently and it was showing 98% so sitting in storage until I bought it hasn't affected the battery at all. Hi southernvolt Those figures sounds pretty good. I'm just wondering what numbers from Leaf Spy you are quoting? Is it the SOH or the Hx? Or something else? (Although it sounds like AHr may be the key statistic). Thanks Mark Under Bat Stats is says: Ahr= 64.37 SOH= 98% HX= 97.72 % |
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Post by quaternary on Jan 7, 2015 20:59:13 GMT 11
Ok, that makes sense. I've been plotting my 'State of Health' using data obtained from Leaf Stat (which is a cut down version of Leaf Spy, but for the iPhone), since I purchased my Leaf back in July 2014, and at the time was 25 months old, having a manufacture date of June 2012. Interestingly, the 'State of Health' has improved not insignificantly over the intervening time, which could be due to the cells rebalancing. (It has been suggested it could be due to the improvement in the weather; while this certainly does effect the capacity of one's battery, I'm not sure if it would effect the 'State of Health', but who knows. It will be interesting to see if this cycles with the changing seasons.) So, my 'State of Health' seems to be similar to what you were reporting, namely 98%. So neither of us seem to be suffering too much from buying a car that has spent 2 years + in storage.  |
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Post by leafboi on Jan 7, 2015 22:30:40 GMT 11
I can feel a 'Capacty Loss' thread coming.
My LEAF reads;
48900kms
AHr 57.00
SOH 86%
Hx 83.58%
Dec 2012 purchase.
I do think though I won't lose a 'capacity bar' for a little while longer. Since out LEAFs have not received any firmware updates that 'gigged' how the bars disappear. We are stuck with loosing lots of capacity on the first bar and not so much on the following couple.
But from what I'm seeing their suggested 80% after five years and 70% at about ten years seems to be right. Ish. So I should never see a problem in driving the distances I require in my daily routine.
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Post by datsunleaf on Jan 7, 2015 23:38:08 GMT 11
Just connected Leaf Spy.....
23780 kms
SOH 83% (not happy Jan!!!)
Had vehicle 11.5 months,
How bad has battery got to get before they replace it .... gulp
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Post by caskings on Jan 8, 2015 23:36:01 GMT 11
Both are some what accurate, 2012 build but 2014 compliance plate or 2015 compliance plate for any sold from now on.
Tripped up my insurance agency when I made a claim. At first they said the wouldn't do new for old as it was a 2012 vechicle. But I was able to show I bought it new in 2014 and it had a 2014 compliance plate, so they honoured the new for old policy.
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Post by leafboi on Jan 9, 2015 7:28:57 GMT 11
Say what? The NEW leafs are actually 2012 models? So carsales.com.au listings for Leafs that say 2014 are "inaccurate" (that's being polite) and are actually 2012? Carsales just list the compliance date as the model year. And I'm guessing Nissan has finally put compliance plates on the remaining LEAFs to sell them off as 2014. |
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Post by jacky on Jan 9, 2015 7:48:24 GMT 11
Say what? The NEW leafs are actually 2012 models? So carsales.com.au listings for Leafs that say 2014 are "inaccurate" (that's being polite) and are actually 2012? Carsales just list the compliance date as the model year. And I'm guessing Nissan has finally put compliance plates on the remaining LEAFs to sell them off as 2014. You are right. Mine is 2014 compliance plate but built on 2012. |
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Post by Feng on Jan 9, 2015 9:18:06 GMT 11
The closest to an answer here is from Reecho who spoke to a product specialist last month: ozleaf.proboards.com/thread/514/new-leafs-oz-2015 - No direct answer to your question, just that it's "not on the radar for the forseeable future". My guess is they'll sell what they've got and discontinue till the next generation comes out. It wouldn't be practical to support small numbers of the revised LEAF for another year or two until then. |
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Post by Feng on Jan 12, 2015 10:17:26 GMT 11
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Post by lesmando24 on Jan 12, 2015 15:44:35 GMT 11
Wow, that looks to be a fault. I see Nissan are looking into it.
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Post by Feng on Jan 12, 2015 16:01:38 GMT 11
It might be a combination of age, Perth heat and a battery stored on full charge? I wonder if Nissan would have saved a lot of grief if the car automatically drained the battery to under 80% if it knew it was hot and was unused for a week with a full charge?
I'd be upset too if I was the owner. Hope Nissan will look after him.
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Post by kris on Mar 6, 2015 17:16:35 GMT 11
Good read www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Battery_Capacity_Loss the first bar you loose is 15%, the rest are about half that apparently. Really feel for the guy who lost his bar after only 5000km, mine waited till 20 000km but still made me a bit glum. I read somewhere that the Volt disguises it's total traction pack capacity (by not using it all in the early days) so that owners are blissfully unaware of the grim truth about batteries. |
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Post by РБМК on Mar 19, 2015 14:24:50 GMT 11
The Leaf batteries are apparently disconnected from the vehicle and kept in a special hibernation mode during storage. (intel from a a service technician via a dealer).
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Post by lesmando24 on Jun 1, 2015 21:16:13 GMT 11
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Post by philcanberra on Jun 2, 2015 12:50:50 GMT 11
The Leaf batteries are apparently disconnected from the vehicle and kept in a special hibernation mode during storage. (intel from a a service technician via a dealer). What they actually do is ship the cars with the fusable link in the glovebox. It's a big orange plug that plugs in just behind the centre storage unit on the floor. It isolates the main battery pack. Because when I went to pick up my new LEAF they showed me this main battery pack disconnect plug and explained that's how it's shipped. www.boronextrication.com/2011/11/10/where-is-the-safety-hv-disconnect-on-a-nissan-leaf/ |
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