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Post by Feng on Nov 2, 2019 8:40:08 GMT 11
Given the recent flak caused by that rubbish Cadogan video, I wonder if you'll get any special consideration if you're only a few weeks out?
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 2, 2019 10:43:44 GMT 11
Given the recent flak caused by that rubbish Cadogan video, I wonder if you'll get any special consideration if you're only a few weeks out? Well that’s possible if I kick up a stink. Under Australian Consumer Law, manufacturers can’t just point to their warranty and walk away. The value of the item and the expectation as to what is “reasonable” longevity are relevant under the law. In this case, we are talking about an item that (according to Nissan) costs around $20k, and is central to the function and utility of the vehicle. So even though the 5 years has expired, if the 4th bar drops within the next few months, I think I’d have a strong case that it hasn’t lived up to expectation. But Nissan would be unlikely to acquiesce without a fight for fear of the precedent it would set.
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Post by craggles on Nov 21, 2019 10:54:36 GMT 11
Dropped to 8 bars last week and took the car in to Moorooka Nissan for the battery check up. The car was first registered in 2016, so there is still loads of time on the warranty. Should hear back from Nissan before Christmas whether they will replace the battery under warranty.
Does anyone on the forum know whether its possible to upgrade to the 30 kWh or 40 kWh battery packs? I'd be happy to pay for the extra capacity.
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Post by seb on Nov 26, 2019 19:26:56 GMT 11
Hi Craggles. I read somewhere there are adaptors out there to go from 26kWhr to 30kWhr. Not sure about 30 to 40, and definitely not something Nissan would officially support. They are very heavily into the business of selling you a new car, not making your existing one better.
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Post by tomkauf on Nov 26, 2019 20:22:44 GMT 11
Agreed. Everything I've read says Nissan has refused all requests people have made for a battery upgrade (no matter how much they'd pay them). Even when people wanted to upgrade from a 24kWh older chemistry, to a 24kWh Lizard chemistry, Nissan said no.
They want to sell people a new vehicle...
I hope the aftermarket picks up here in Australia. That'll be where the innovation will be. Not sure if 40kWh would fit, but I've definitely heard of 30mWh batteries being fitted to 24kWh Leafs overseas.
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Post by empowerrepower on Nov 26, 2019 22:25:25 GMT 11
I believe that the 30 kW battery also needs some sort of frame/bracket to fit in the 1st gen Leaf, and there might be some wiring differences too - probably somewhere here in the threads, which now form quite an archive on Leafdom. Bigger batteries are not something that has ever been offered in Australia, sadly.
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Post by jeffthewalker on Nov 27, 2019 6:32:26 GMT 11
Yabba Dabba Dooo!!!
I just (this minute) lost my 4th bar. SOH 63.69%. ODO 58,383. Purchased September 2015. I'll be heading down to Brisbane (Moorooka Nissan) in a week or so to start the warranty replacement process.
I am now in Brisbane and taking my LEAF into Moorooka Nissan for the warranty battery replacement this morning. I am really looking forward to the new range which I expect to be better than I have ever had.
Combined with the ever expanding DCFC network between Sydney and Rockhampton, I will now be able to do almost all of my "rellie run" without waiting hours for each recharge.
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Post by caroline on Nov 27, 2019 13:08:47 GMT 11
Yabba Dabba Dooo!!!
I just (this minute) lost my 4th bar. SOH 63.69%. ODO 58,383. Purchased September 2015. I'll be heading down to Brisbane (Moorooka Nissan) in a week or so to start the warranty replacement process.
I am now in Brisbane and taking my LEAF into Moorooka Nissan for the warranty battery replacement this morning. I am really looking forward to the new range which I expect to be better than I have ever had.
Combined with the ever expanding DCFC network between Sydney and Rockhampton, I will now be able to do almost all of my "rellie run" without waiting hours for each recharge.
Yay congrats Jeff! After I had mine replaced I was getting more range than I’ve ever had on that car
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Post by seb on Nov 29, 2019 19:21:19 GMT 11
I wished I lived in Moorooka. NSW literally has no Nissan dealership left with Leaf experience.
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 30, 2019 13:28:42 GMT 11
NSW literally has no Nissan dealership left with Leaf experience. I take mine to Suttons at Zetland for servicing. They seem to know what they are doing (but of course, charge for the privilege). Alledgedly there are 89 Nissan dealers in the country qualified to sell and service the new Leaf, so there must be some in NSW . Mind you, that was Nissan’s plan before Tesla Model 3s started to be delivered here and have absolutely smashed BEV sales numbers out of the park which must have impacted projected Gen 2 Leaf sales.
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Post by stewartm on Dec 1, 2019 10:40:50 GMT 11
I switched to moorooka from metro Nissan. Metro at Windsor never liked the leaf, comment from one guy was that they didn't want to service them as there was nothing in it for them. More than once they tried to mark up the set price servicing.
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Post by Feng on Dec 1, 2019 12:16:11 GMT 11
Any way for you to let Nissan Australia know about that? Sounds like feedback worth giving.
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Post by EVangelist on Dec 2, 2019 8:41:11 GMT 11
I switched to moorooka from metro Nissan. Metro at Windsor never liked the leaf, comment from one guy was that they didn't want to service them as there was nothing in it for them. More than once they tried to mark up the set price servicing. And there it is in black and white... why legacy auto manufacturers will continue to struggle to transition to BEV. Their dealers simply don’t want to sell them because they provide very little trailing revenue - the lifeblood of any dealer. Tesla - keep driving that nail in.
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Post by tomkauf on Dec 3, 2019 18:18:47 GMT 11
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Post by tomkauf on Dec 3, 2019 18:27:51 GMT 11
They list 40kWh and 62kWh into a 24kWh Leaf as 'Planned Future Development'. I doubt it'd physically fit, but if that's possible - wow! Imagine a 62kWh Battery in an early Leaf . Attachments:
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Post by brunohill on Dec 5, 2019 1:02:12 GMT 11
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Post by seb on Dec 5, 2019 9:35:02 GMT 11
NSW literally has no Nissan dealership left with Leaf experience. I take mine to Suttons at Zetland for servicing. They seem to know what they are doing (but of course, charge for the privilege). Alledgedly there are 89 Nissan dealers in the country qualified to sell and service the new Leaf, so there must be some in NSW . Mind you, that was Nissan’s plan before Tesla Model 3s started to be delivered here and have absolutely smashed BEV sales numbers out of the park which must have impacted projected Gen 2 Leaf sales. Hi Evangelist. Try doing anything other than servicing at Zetlan. They've never replaced a battery or a module in a battery before. In fact, I think they shipped their technicians for training to Melbourne just to learn how to replace a module; my Leaf is sitting in their shop getting that very same work done now... Nissan Australia say Zetland are the only "heavy" Leaf repairers in NSW.
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Post by coulomb on Dec 21, 2019 14:29:21 GMT 11
Mine has done 55,000km on the new battery. It still displays 11 bars of capacity. But I suspect the second bar will go when I get about 60,000km, just like the original. Les, any news? I suspect you must have passed 60,000 km by now.
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Post by alison on Dec 28, 2019 5:58:06 GMT 11
I take mine to Suttons at Zetland for servicing. They seem to know what they are doing (but of course, charge for the privilege). Alledgedly there are 89 Nissan dealers in the country qualified to sell and service the new Leaf, so there must be some in NSW . Mind you, that was Nissan’s plan before Tesla Model 3s started to be delivered here and have absolutely smashed BEV sales numbers out of the park which must have impacted projected Gen 2 Leaf sales. Hi Evangelist. Try doing anything other than servicing at Zetlan. They've never replaced a battery or a module in a battery before. In fact, I think they shipped their technicians for training to Melbourne just to learn how to replace a module; my Leaf is sitting in their shop getting that very same work done now... Nissan Australia say Zetland are the only "heavy" Leaf repairers in NSW. Do you know where they say this, out of interest? Their dealer locator used to allow you to filter for LEAF servicing but I notice that's now gone. Certainly I used to go to Rockdale where others have had their batteries replaced in the the past, but my last experience there was terrible after they were bought out. I was the second LEAF they had ever serviced (in new location) and they had almost no idea about the car. At least there's a nice new DCFC near Zetland for if they don't even remember to charge it for my 80km uphill trip home, like has happened before.
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Post by datsunleaf on Dec 28, 2019 21:28:44 GMT 11
I get mine serviced at Nepean Nissan, they have replaced my battery, heater and all other work just has 120k service done there
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Post by seb on Jan 9, 2020 12:56:47 GMT 11
Hi Alison. Sorry for the late reply. Nissan Australia told me about heavy vs non-heavy Leaf repairers. I don't remember if I read it from the website.
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Post by Feng on Jan 29, 2020 13:11:15 GMT 11
Saw this on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/euvfom/huge_news_nissan_usa_will_replace_30kw_batteries/
Another user called Nissan and corroborated. No mention on what they have on offer for 24kWh owners. That's a surprise if it's true, I thought Nissan wouldn't want to cannibalise new car sales.
I suppose if they software lock it to 30kWh it's still a good thing for longevity.
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Post by brunohill on Feb 22, 2020 15:12:35 GMT 11
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Post by EVangelist on Feb 24, 2020 8:24:40 GMT 11
Possibly, although I believe there are a few “amateur” outfits around. No mention of price - and you have to ship the battery pack to them. Ouch. I suspect you’d be better off selling your LEAF and buying a new one until there is more of a market for this sort of thing.
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Post by brunohill on Feb 24, 2020 23:44:58 GMT 11
It says it ranges from $7500 Euros for the bare bones 34 kWh to $12000 Euros for the 44 kWh with the lot. It is still a lot cheaper than a new LEAF,the battery may last a lot longer,and may have more range. What I really don't like, is that the old pouch cells are most likely trashed when they could be used for home storage. If everybody dumps their LEAF in landfill (because they won't be able to sell it with a depleted battery) there will never be a market for this sort of thing. This is a big problem in the markets where new electric cars are heavily subsidized which makes older second hand one worth very little. Is buying a new car a good financial investment?
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Post by brunohill on Apr 10, 2020 1:14:48 GMT 11
Looks like a Russian version similar to Muxsans' range extender batteries but with 18650s. About $13k AU for 40 kWh. li.energo-e.ru/nissanleaf
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Post by Feng on Apr 10, 2020 12:06:03 GMT 11
That's neat, I'm glad there are more aftermarket options appearing but I'm curious to know how well it's designed. Battery management, safety, reliability, durability, etc. I wouldn't spend so much on something unproven until thousands have been on the road for years with a proven track record.
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Post by bje on Apr 12, 2020 15:14:55 GMT 11
Hi all. I've recently lost the fourth battery bar on my 2012 LEAF and, although the battery is out of warranty, there have been many comments made here about rights under the Australian Consumer Law for a reasonable expectation of lifetime for a critical component of an EV. I plan to take my car to a dealer to have the battery tested, but does anyone know what the realistic prospects are for a goodwill replacement? Thanks.
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Post by bje on Apr 14, 2020 9:19:39 GMT 11
Hi all. I've recently lost the fourth battery bar on my 2012 LEAF and, although the battery is out of warranty, there have been many comments made here about rights under the Australian Consumer Law for a reasonable expectation of lifetime for a critical component of an EV. I plan to take my car to a dealer to have the battery tested, but does anyone know what the realistic prospects are for a goodwill replacement? Also, for those who have had their cars tested prior to a request for a goodwill replacement, were you charged for this testing?
Thanks.
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Post by rusdy on Apr 14, 2020 13:45:26 GMT 11
Hi all. I've recently lost the fourth battery bar on my 2012 LEAF and, although the battery is out of warranty, there have been many comments made here about rights under the Australian Consumer Law for a reasonable expectation of lifetime for a critical component of an EV. I plan to take my car to a dealer to have the battery tested, but does anyone know what the realistic prospects are for a goodwill replacement? Thanks. I've done exactly this 2 months ago. I took mine to Northside Nissan (the only one in Western Australia does battery replacement I naively believe) and was told I will be charged 380 bucks for battery test. On the completion of battery test, I didn't end up get charged 380 bucks by the dealer and they said they will follow through the warranty claim. I got hopeful and praying for a miracle to happen that they will follow through to a warranty. Alas, my selfish prayer didn't get answered, and they said the warranty has lapsed and I was told that I'm eligible for a subsidised battery instead. So, I'm proudly can say I maybe the only one that is loyal enough (some say idiot 😂) to Nissan to pay 10k battery replacement. That was my experience, and shouldn't be taken as a guide that any dealer will waive the battery test cost. Peace!
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