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Post by jeffjl on Apr 4, 2014 17:21:20 GMT 11
On Monday I become part of your exclusive club when I pick up a Silver Leaf from Magic Nissan in Perth. I have only seen one other in Perth (only after booking a test drive ) thanks Brian (NO CO2) at Kalamunda Rd and Roe Highway.
They just phoned me up and informed me that Nissan were offering an extended warranty (from the three years to six or 100,000km) for $1,980.
Do forum members think this is a good deal or just Nissan sucking a few extra dollars?
Thanks in advance for your input.
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Post by gabzimiev on Apr 4, 2014 18:18:41 GMT 11
if it covers the battery pack then yes... if it's just mechanical no.
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Post by leafboi on Apr 4, 2014 20:35:26 GMT 11
Since the warranty is quite vague to start with id say it's hard to get a straight answer from Nissan on how to battery is covered under the warranty to begin with.
I'm also sure at year 3 of ownership they will offer the warranty again as it's standard practice to gouge.
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Post by Phoebe on Apr 5, 2014 4:22:35 GMT 11
Welcome to the forum jeffjl. They offered me extended warranty, floor mats, tint for the windows, something else I don't remember and I turned it all down as just their way of making a bit more money on the deal.
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 5, 2014 9:58:50 GMT 11
Hi jeffjl and welcome to the forum, as well as to ownership! Extended warranties are always a hard choice. I tend to avoid them as it usually just means paying for repairs in advance whether you need them or not. Obviously in extreme cases they are money well spent.
EVs in general require very little maintenance and from what I've seen around the world, no one seems to be having trouble with their LEAF even after a few years.
We've had ours for about 22 months and there isn't even the slightly issue or problem.
Even if it does cover the battery, it wouldn't be for depletion over time, just catestrophic failure, which probably isn't likely.
Also, I'm thinking battery technology is going to skyrocket in capability and plummet in costs over the next few years, so by the time your standard warranty is up the playing field will be completely different.
So I guess it comes down to peace of mind, what you're comfortable with, and your prediction of the future.
Jim
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Post by jeffjl on Apr 7, 2014 0:05:15 GMT 11
Cheers all for the quick replies.
Think I will skip it. I did go for the window tint, paint protection and upholstery protection for under $2k. Skipped the insurance offer (approx 40% higher than the company I am currently with).
13.5 hours before pick up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 9:55:44 GMT 11
ooh grats jeffjl thanks for making it closer for me to possibly get the 2nd Gen LEAF; if I can get the batt warranty to 6 years, that is if I keep the car that long. hope to see you at the Perth AEVA meeting this Tuesday @ UWA 7pm, 6pm coffee/tea & biscuits. forums.aeva.asn.au/2014-perth-branch-meetings_topic4050.html
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Post by jeffjl on Apr 7, 2014 11:51:28 GMT 11
Tuesday night is my army reserve night. My next Tuesday night off is in November (something to do with a horse race I believe). Bummer.
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Post by Brian on Apr 22, 2014 0:12:48 GMT 11
Belated welcome to the Forum, jeffjl.
Great to have another Sandgroper on the Forum. I look forward to seeing you around.
In answer to your question, I echo Jim's comments.
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Post by riddick on Apr 25, 2014 11:23:04 GMT 11
ooh grats jeffjl thanks for making it closer for me to possibly get the 2nd Gen LEAF... g4qber, I have seen you make this comment more than once to new owners and I think it is rather insulting. Every one of the owners here made a call to get the current model rather then wait years, but we would all love to have the latest model, of course. Just when someone committed, it is rather selfish to say "thanks for buying the old one so I am one closer to the new one". It would be smarter to keep those comments to yourself...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:01:33 GMT 11
I used to want to get the latest model of tech stuff.
but have since changed to get the optimum tech eg. iPad2 since iPad3 allegedly was overheating, though it had Retina screen.
windows 8, Vista, Millennium were all dogs.
interesting to see how the RACWA's LEAF has now removed their SEA advertising. now it is plain white.
I also have been burnt with the Holden Volt, Gen 1. But I couldn't wait cos I wanted to get rid of the Gen 1 BluMotion Golf. Hopefully I won't fall into the trap of getting the BMW i3. I would have got the imiev gen 1 if it was available to customers.
I respect how you guys/gals are real pioneers with your LEAFs and are willing to put your $$$ where your mouths are.
I guess that I am a bit envious that I haven't joined your crew ... yet.
As mentioned in another article when people ask me about the imiev, I recommend that they get the LEAF.
I also appreciate Nissan putting their chargepoints available 24/7. Unlike Holden which are within their bollarded compounds. And nothing for Mitsubishi. Will be interesting to see what BMW does.
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Post by jeffjl on Apr 30, 2014 12:33:12 GMT 11
I think g4 has put a lot of his money where his mouth is. Who else has done as much as buying a Volt and iMiev? Riddick I can understand your thoughts regarding this and can see how people could find the comments selfish. I took the comment as a bit of comedy having looked around for a bit and seen many of g4's comments in this forum. I was not in the least bit insulted.
Having said that though we should all be aware that people who are just browsing will be visiting this site and we don't want to scare them off (hence my lack of photo).
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Post by Phoebe on Apr 30, 2014 12:38:26 GMT 11
I think g4 has put a lot of his money where his mouth is. Who else has done as much as buying a Volt and iMiev? Riddick I can understand your thoughts regarding this and can see how people could find the comments selfish. I took the comment as a bit of comedy having looked around for a bit and seen many of g4's comments in this forum. I was not in the least bit insulted. Having said that though we should all be aware that people who are just browsing will be visiting this site and we don't want to scare them off (hence my lack of photo). You could put a photo of your car - that wouldn't scare anyone, would it?
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 30, 2014 13:41:35 GMT 11
I think g4 has put a lot of his money where his mouth is. Who else has done as much as buying a Volt and iMiev? Riddick I can understand your thoughts regarding this and can see how people could find the comments selfish. I took the comment as a bit of comedy having looked around for a bit and seen many of g4's comments in this forum. I was not in the least bit insulted. Having said that though we should all be aware that people who are just browsing will be visiting this site and we don't want to scare them off (hence my lack of photo). I too took this as a bit of comedy. I feel an issue here is the absolute bu*#%&Z*t way we are being made to wait for the Gen 2 when the rest of the world isn't. Nissan didn't hold back on the new pathfinder, the new micra and the new Xtrail so why should we be forced to buy 3 year old tech?! It would be different if a new model had just been announced and not released but it's been for sale for over 12 months elsewhere and we're still working with 2011 technology. There's 100 improvements in the Gen 2. 100. They should do what every Car manufacturer worldwide does - release the new one for the standard RRP and knock down the old ones price. They reduced the price to $39990 but never even gave us the option to buy a new one. I for one would enjoy the option of the Gen 2. It may be $55,000 and the Gen one $40K and to tell the truth I would probably buy the Gen 1 but it would be nice to have a choice.
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Post by gabzimiev on Apr 30, 2014 13:49:10 GMT 11
the problem for us (g4qber and I) is that we already have nice EVs but not brilliant. A gen 1 LEAF is a small improvement on the I but not enough of an improvement for either of us to justify upgrading but the gen 2 looks like it might be worth it.. also there is a nice rule of never buying the first generation of anything.. even if Nissan released the gen 2 for $75k (imported them on order etc.) it would increase there sales as by comparison it makes the gen 1 look like a better bargain the LEAF has no real comparison car to indicate it's value.
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Post by markrmarkr on Apr 30, 2014 15:17:57 GMT 11
There are some advantages to getting Gen 1 stuff. For instance on the Gen 1 Leaf the DC bus looks to be easily available. So Range extending mods and the like are easily possible on Gen 1. Gen 2 has it's charger mounted in the bonnet area and I think the DC bus will be much harder to get too. Other advantages such as taking away the motivation to send troops OS, getting cheap transport now, and saving the planet now, not in 3 years (from 2012) time. Not to mention having an absolutely brilliant ride right now. Thinking of all the joy I would have missed out on had I not bought my Leaf when I was first able to - makes me a bit sad . I really love my Autumn. She is by far the nicest car I've ever owned. She may not be perfect but she is close enough for me.
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Post by Feng on Apr 30, 2014 15:37:47 GMT 11
I like how the gen 1 is slightly faster than the gen 2. Just in case we ever have to drag one at the lights.
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 30, 2014 15:56:39 GMT 11
I feel an issue here is the absolute bu*#%&Z*t way we are being made to wait for the Gen 2 when the rest of the world isn't. Nissan didn't hold back on the new pathfinder, the new micra and the new Xtrail so why should we be forced to buy 3 year old tech?! It would be different if a new model had just been announced and not released but it's been for sale for over 12 months elsewhere and we're still working with 2011 technology. There's 100 improvements in the Gen 2. 100. They should do what every Car manufacturer worldwide does - release the new one for the standard RRP and knock down the old ones price. They reduced the price to $39990 but never even gave us the option to buy a new one. I for one would enjoy the option of the Gen 2. It may be $55,000 and the Gen one $40K and to tell the truth I would probably buy the Gen 1 but it would be nice to have a choice. I'm not sure that's a fair assessment of the situation. Nissan did the right thing and brought in a slew of LEAVES, did some initial promotion, and found next to no interest from the fickle and mistrusting public. They probably added up the entire potential interest and found that the existing Gen 1s would be enough to satisfy all current demand. What would ultimately happen is the Gen 2s and 3s would sit around until they became too old to sell. Sure, we can point to additional issues such as lack of advertising and other things Nissan could have done to spread the word, but I still blame the public. Nissan has probably done the only thing it could, work through old stock and wait for the public to realise how amazing these cars really are. The day is coming, there is more hype every day and hopefully more charging infrastructure right behind it.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 30, 2014 23:43:17 GMT 11
I'm not sure that's a fair assessment of the situation. Nissan did the right thing and brought in a slew of LEAVES, did some initial promotion, and found next to no interest from the fickle and mistrusting public. They probably added up the entire potential interest and found that the existing Gen 1s would be enough to satisfy all current demand. What would ultimately happen is the Gen 2s and 3s would sit around until they became too old to sell. Sure, we can point to additional issues such as lack of advertising and other things Nissan could have done to spread the word, but I still blame the public. Nissan has probably done the only thing it could, work through old stock and wait for the public to realise how amazing these cars really are. The day is coming, there is more hype every day and hopefully more charging infrastructure right behind it. Yes I think you probably have a fair point. I'd couple that with pricing though. I think it's been proven world wide that they're messing up the pricing. With the $7500 and sometimes more that is offered as incentives in other Countires the EV's are flying off the shelf. The Volt's sit here in the dealers until they drop the price and then they sell. The dealer I spoke with when I test drive the Volt said it was consistent that whenever they knocked them down to $40K they sold. I know the Leaf has had it's price cuts but I still think if they hit the right price they would sell the lot. That may be below cost though so I wouldn't expect Nissan to do it. In a way it's a shame that they didn't follow the Tesla and BMW i3 approach and get pre-orders to gauge interest and then only bring in enough to meet that demand. But I remember reading that they made dealers order a large qty to push the sales numbers up to reportable numbers and that may have back fired in that they're now caught with a heap of unsold cars.
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Post by Jim Hare on May 1, 2014 9:27:36 GMT 11
The government needed to get behind them from day one. Don't know if they were being stingy, naive or for some reason didn't want EVs to succeed, but this support could have made all the difference. Nissan had to take a chance and just get the cars out there under the coveted "if you build it they will come" business model. By showing people how amazing these cars were they would get sold. But you're right, at $57k on-road, this was never going to be a mass hit. The real problem is that it seems to have come as a surprise to Nissan that full price would mean limited sales and they ordered too many up front. Again, I applaud Nissan for having the confidence, but it may have done more harm than good when naysayers can point to the lack of sales and try to use it as evidence that EVs are not viable...
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Post by markrmarkr on May 1, 2014 12:29:59 GMT 11
This all comes across as very doom and gloom. And I don't think it's justified - I got this data from wiki: Registration of highway-capable plug-in electric cars by model in Australia between 2010 and 2013 Model | 2010–2013 | 2013 | 2012 | 2011 | 2010 | Nissan Leaf | 284 | 188 | 77 | 19 | | Mitsubishi i MiEV | 252 | 15 | 95 | 30 | 112 | Holden Volt | 181 | 101 | 80 | | | Tesla Roadster | 11 | | 5 | 6 | | Total registrations | 728 | 304 | 257 | 55 | 112 |
Notice how Leaf sales picked up in 2013 when the price dropped. I think it is still at $3990, but you can easily get less especially with cash. This is really quite strong growth, and all with no incentives at all. Add to this the Outlander, i3 and Model S are all coming out soon, and I think things couldn't look rosier. Of course if we had incentives as well I'm sure things would look much better, but even without they still look pretty good. Leaf is currently at the lowest price point, and that looks like continuing for the foreseeable future. And Nissan has the mechanisms in place to actually sell the cars - no learning curve, or set-up required. All the new entrants are likely to create a fair bit of public attention with advertising and press coverage. But when this makes EV's become more popular, the average Joe is going to think about a Leaf first, because it's what he can afford, and it's the most popular. So lets not have any more of this doom and gloom. Things have never looked rosier.
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Post by Jim Hare on May 1, 2014 14:59:33 GMT 11
I agree it's not doom and gloom, just reality, and the future is clear and bright. I was just commenting that Nissan were right to not bring in the new model with so many original ones in stock.
But even now, 188 units of a single model would be good annual result for a single dealer in a year, but for the entire country it's still very very much a tiny niche market.
That should change very quickly in the next couple of years and we can say we were here at the start!
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Post by gabzimiev on May 1, 2014 15:18:44 GMT 11
284+252 capable of CHAdeMO so 536 charge them each $1000 fast charge levy $5.36 million 10-12 fast chargers would get at least one major road in each state covered.
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Post by caskings on May 1, 2014 15:42:28 GMT 11
Does anyone know how many Leafs were actually brought in to Australia by Nissan?
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Post by leafboi on May 1, 2014 17:37:19 GMT 11
Does anyone know how many Leafs were actually brought in to Australia by Nissan? The latest edition the Carsales is listed with a vin of JN1FAAZE0A0200650, so that's number 650. When it was released Nissan said they planed to sell in the 'hundreds' each month. So my guess is they brought out around 1000 units. And knowing my Local dealer is delivering one almost weekly to private buyers it's a fair guess to say this yeah should see another doubling of sales from last year.
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Post by southernvolt on May 1, 2014 23:59:43 GMT 11
Does anyone know how many Leafs were actually brought in to Australia by Nissan? The latest edition the Carsales is listed with a vin of JN1FAAZE0A0200650, so that's number 650. When it was released Nissan said they planed to sell in the 'hundreds' each month. So my guess is they brought out around 1000 units. And knowing my Local dealer is delivering one almost weekly to private buyers it's a fair guess to say this yeah should see another doubling of sales from last year. One a week! Seriously? The dealer up the road with a white one still has it (I keep driving past wishing I could buy it . I sort of got the impression form him he hasn't sold many and has had the white one for a while now.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 0:22:45 GMT 11
ooh $3990 that is a bargain I'll have 10 thanks. that must be the May Day Sale Price. I shall try to see if Northside Nissan is on the ball. Have they changed the $39,990 offer to 31 May 2014 on their fancy 48" touch screen display. When southernvolt gets his LEAF he will be like Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield. They have a Volt and a LEAF. Her LEAF has just lost its first capacity bar after 3 years. and the general feeling of Nikki & crew is "so what" / "meh" cos this is what Nissan had already predicted on their computer models. She had fast charged many times and she is not about to mollycoddle her LEAF now it has lost a bar. transportevolved.com/2014/04/18/transport-evolved-electric-car-news-panel-show-196-bye-bye-bar/To the chagrin of the "Speed Kills" group, Elon Musk gets done for speeding & Johnny Depp This is one way to possibly electrify petrol heads? eg. Jeremy Clarkson. More power. Possibly mentioned elsewhere or not, I got my first speeding fine in EeVee (name of my imiev) on the way to the 2012 AEVA AGM. was doing allegedly 113kmh in a 100kmh zone. Even Al Gore's son got done for speeding in a Prius. Nikki is going to drive all the way from England to Switzerland in her LEAF.
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Post by markrmarkr on May 2, 2014 8:08:13 GMT 11
ooh $3990 that is a bargain I'll have 10 thanks. that must be the May Day Sale Price. I shall try to see if Northside Nissan is on the ball. Have they changed the $39,990 offer to 31 May 2014 on their fancy 48" touch screen display. When southernvolt gets his LEAF he will be like Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield. They have a Volt and a LEAF. Her LEAF has just lost its first capacity bar after 3 years. and the general feeling of Nikki & crew is "so what" / "meh" cos this is what Nissan had already predicted on their computer models. She had fast charged many times and she is not about to mollycoddle her LEAF now it has lost a bar. transportevolved.com/2014/04/18/transport-evolved-electric-car-news-panel-show-196-bye-bye-bar/To the chagrin of the "Speed Kills" group, Elon Musk gets done for speeding & Johnny Depp This is one way to possibly electrify petrol heads? eg. Jeremy Clarkson. More power. Possibly mentioned elsewhere or not, I got my first speeding fine in EeVee (name of my imiev) on the way to the 2012 AEVA AGM. was doing allegedly 113kmh in a 100kmh zone. Even Al Gore's son got done for speeding in a Prius. Nikki is going to drive all the way from England to Switzerland in her LEAF. Ok I dropped a zero, but seriously $39,990 is a bit less than I paid for my previous car - a Ford Futura in 2003. Incidentally I'm trying to sell it now a bargin for $4500. Maybe I'll get some bites when it gets to $3990. Here: www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Falcon-2003/SSE-AD-2441020/?Cr=10&sdmvc=1On the subject of speeding - I don't know what it is about the Leaf, but I just don't have the need to speed anymore. Maybe it's the economy game we play while driving, or the fact you have to give it a boot full to get response when in eco-mode. Strange but true.
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Post by leafboi on May 2, 2014 13:49:57 GMT 11
One a week! Seriously? The dealer up the road with a white one still has it (I keep driving past wishing I could buy it . I sort of got the impression form him he hasn't sold many and has had the white one for a while now. To be fair my local dealer is an authorized LEAF dealer but they don't keep any instock. They only get it out of the yard when someone buys it's, brand new. No demos.
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