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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 2, 2014 10:40:13 GMT 11
Now I want a Tesla X. Looks amazing!
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 2, 2014 19:06:18 GMT 11
The Tesla is great but I still struggle with "is it three times as great" as the other options. It's probably going to be about $115,000 to drive away in one and you can get 3 Leafs for that. Or maybe one each of a leaf, an iMiev and a Volt. Or two BMW i3's. THe Tesla X is probably going to be at least $10K more. It's a lot of money. I'll wait for the $40,000 Tesla e.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 4, 2014 23:36:11 GMT 11
Well Tesla pricing isn't in but BMW's is and it's a joke. I can buy a Volt and a Leaf for the price of an i3.
Pricing for EV's over here is nuts generally but BMW takes it to another level. Is it the lack of incentives or just the price gouging manufacturers?
BMW i3's will be priced over here at around $72,000 for the base electric only and around $78,000 for the base range extended. Add a few options and the "standard" one's that will leave the dealerships are supposed to be going out the door for about $84,000. Nuts.
In the USA the base i3 is $41,350 or $44,700 in Aussie dollars. The Rex (range extender version) is $45,200 USD or $48,865 AUD. So we are paying $27,300 markup on the base and $29,135 on the Rex. In the UK you can pickup a base i3 for 25,680 pounds or $45,974.
@#*% you BMW for gouging us over here by selling your $40K car for $80K. If you can get a Tesla for $20K more why wouldn't you?
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Post by leafboi on Apr 4, 2014 23:46:47 GMT 11
Where did you find that pricing info?
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 5, 2014 10:09:55 GMT 11
The difference in price compared to overseas is the same with the LEAF and used to be a lot worse. Even with the massively reduced pricing they are still 30% more than overseas.
Import taxes, luxury car taxes, limited population and new specialty vehicle that will require service training and equipment. Add to that the complete ABSENCE of government incentives for EVs and we have a lot against us with cars in Australia without even needing to bring greed into it.
Also, you need to ADD tax on the US price or REMOVE GST on the Aussie price to compare, so closer to $65k here/$44,700 there. I can see most of that difference going to the government, transportation costs and lack of a price break since they aren't ordering tens of thousands of cars from the factory.
Or I could be completely off base on the whole thing, but even if I am I'll bet there's more to the story than price hiking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 12:55:10 GMT 11
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv2UE7sNBfAFully Charged Robert Llewelyn watch out for a few f words. no more range reality/anxiety. lo "tosser's porsche" mercedes almost crashes while looking at model s. "big flash car driven by a tosser" we have lots of Jaguar tossers in Perth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_People"Jaguar — For men who'd like hand-jobs from beautiful women they hardly know." and "Volvo — they're boxy but they're good." ecotricity ad at the end, power stations being blown up.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 5, 2014 17:08:36 GMT 11
Where did you find that pricing info? Got it straight from the Melb BMW i dealer on the phone.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 5, 2014 17:13:47 GMT 11
The difference in price compared to overseas is the same with the LEAF and used to be a lot worse. Even with the massively reduced pricing they are still 30% more than overseas. Import taxes, luxury car taxes, limited population and new specialty vehicle that will require service training and equipment. Add to that the complete ABSENCE of government incentives for EVs and we have a lot against us with cars in Australia without even needing to bring greed into it. Also, you need to ADD tax on the US price or REMOVE GST on the Aussie price to compare, so closer to $65k here/$44,700 there. I can see most of that difference going to the government, transportation costs and lack of a price break since they aren't ordering tens of thousands of cars from the factory. Or I could be completely off base on the whole thing, but even if I am I'll bet there's more to the story than price hiking. I understand you saying this based on a US price but what about based on the cost price of the vehicle. There's markup on it and this is significant given I had a dealer a month ago offer me two Volts for the following price: Demo with 120 km's = $39,990. Brand new Volt with 0 kms $47,000 drive away. This on a car that was sitting there with $66K and change on the sticker. So he could drop $20K without blinking. Given BMW make the cars and set the prices you think they could take the aussie taxes and lack on incentives into account and give us a lower price. I mean what's the point of bringing them in at all if they're going to have the same experience here as the Leaf or volt did i.e. have shed loads of them sit at the dealerships unsold. We don't have the incentives, we don't have the charging infrastructure and the high price of the cars has hurt sales. There's still 2012 EV's sitting unsold in dealers yards - it's nuts!
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Post by leafboi on Apr 5, 2014 18:02:54 GMT 11
Where did you find that pricing info? Got it straight from the Melb BMW i dealer on the phone. Interesting that they are offering up a price, over the phone, when BMW AU hasn't released a press release on pricing yet. Maybe coming very soon then. Pricing that is not the car.
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 5, 2014 23:07:19 GMT 11
Yes but you're assuming they are still making money at this price where they could be panicking terribly and losing money just to try to clear them. The difference in price compared to overseas is the same with the LEAF and used to be a lot worse. Even with the massively reduced pricing they are still 30% more than overseas. Import taxes, luxury car taxes, limited population and new specialty vehicle that will require service training and equipment. Add to that the complete ABSENCE of government incentives for EVs and we have a lot against us with cars in Australia without even needing to bring greed into it. Also, you need to ADD tax on the US price or REMOVE GST on the Aussie price to compare, so closer to $65k here/$44,700 there. I can see most of that difference going to the government, transportation costs and lack of a price break since they aren't ordering tens of thousands of cars from the factory. Or I could be completely off base on the whole thing, but even if I am I'll bet there's more to the story than price hiking. I understand you saying this based on a US price but what about based on the cost price of the vehicle. There's markup on it and this is significant given I had a dealer a month ago offer me two Volts for the following price: Demo with 120 km's = $39,990. Brand new Volt with 0 kms $47,000 drive away. This on a car that was sitting there with $66K and change on the sticker. So he could drop $20K without blinking. Given BMW make the cars and set the prices you think they could take the aussie taxes and lack on incentives into account and give us a lower price. I mean what's the point of bringing them in at all if they're going to have the same experience here as the Leaf or volt did i.e. have shed loads of them sit at the dealerships unsold. We don't have the incentives, we don't have the charging infrastructure and the high price of the cars has hurt sales. There's still 2012 EV's sitting unsold in dealers yards - it's nuts!
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Post by jgprice on Apr 6, 2014 12:07:26 GMT 11
Holden dealer close to me also has a brand new 2013 volt for sale at $49990 drive away, bit of a drop from the normal $66k
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 6, 2014 20:18:42 GMT 11
Got it straight from the Melb BMW i dealer on the phone. Interesting that they are offering up a price, over the phone, when BMW AU hasn't released a press release on pricing yet. Maybe coming very soon then. Pricing that is not the car. Must be close to a press release as I got an email with all the pricing too. PM if you want it all. Sunroof for $3000! Heated seats for $720! Say no more.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 6, 2014 20:19:44 GMT 11
Holden dealer close to me also has a brand new 2013 volt for sale at $49990 drive away, bit of a drop from the normal $66k Where's my Leaf deal . I want them to take some money off a Leaf and then I can buy one straight away.
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Post by jeffjl on Apr 7, 2014 18:12:05 GMT 11
So.... $52,000 + on roads to $39,990 inc on roads is not enough for you Southernvolt? It sold me.
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Post by southernvolt on Apr 7, 2014 23:14:27 GMT 11
So.... $52,000 + on roads to $39,990 inc on roads is not enough for you Southernvolt? It sold me. Yeah I'm hard to please Actually I sort of have to wait for a few months to get the lease sorted for work which probably isn't so bad as the current $39,990 deal is good until end April and then who know, they may drop it a bit - the cars aren't getting any younger just sitting at the dealers of the docks. And with the Japan free trade deal coming when all Japanese cars will drop by 4% (right?!) then maybe that's more bargaining power. To tell the truth if I was in a "normal" situation and starting a new lease deal with work I'd already be driving one .
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Post by jeffjl on Apr 7, 2014 23:21:40 GMT 11
Too much honesty there Southern. People might start to like you.
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Post by caskings on Apr 14, 2014 21:11:31 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Apr 16, 2014 22:05:49 GMT 11
Wish they brought the Renault Zoe into Oz, given the french pricing, allowing for exchange, transport etc, should be on road here for $27k. They drive great, not as sophisticated as the Leaf but a nice car. If you look at the Renault Clio, its the same platform but a little bigger. Range is a bit better than the LEAF, Engine is lower powered. Ordered one for my French house, can get them for €13,000 or $20,000 with a battery rental agreement of €47/month. Did speak with Renault main office, they said there wasn't the market to bring them in, same sadly as the Clio diesel.
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 17, 2014 9:00:36 GMT 11
Also have to allow for Oz import duties etc., doesn't that alone raise the price another 25%+?
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Post by caskings on Apr 17, 2014 10:29:59 GMT 11
The car tariff is only 5% , though I do wonder if they will get rid of it since we won't have a domestic manufacturing car industry to protect for much longer.
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 17, 2014 11:14:17 GMT 11
So why do most cars seem to cost 75% more than overseas? Lower unit numbers, transport costs, and GST?
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Post by gabzimiev on Apr 17, 2014 12:32:39 GMT 11
transport cost, Luxury car tax 33% doesn't apply to all cars, import tariff 5%, GST 10%, factoring in an exchange rate so you don't loose money. and for EVs a lack of incentives compared to up to $10k off in other countries www.customs.gov.au/site/page4371.asp#duty for more information
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Post by Jim Hare on Apr 17, 2014 14:51:32 GMT 11
And I would say significantly fewer numbers so they don't get the best buy price in the first place.
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Post by gabzimiev on Apr 30, 2014 22:52:57 GMT 11
telsa employees are in australia this week twitter.com/RecruiterLauren to start hiring for staff to run australian operations jobs from car detailier to head of supply chain for the area.
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