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Post by Feng on Dec 30, 2013 17:05:09 GMT 11
It's been talked about before, this thread is to gather numbers from people who are interested in crowdfunding a 15A or 30A L2 EVSE in the outskirts of Sydney to make longer distance daytrips possible. I haven't got a price nor found sites for most of the places, I just wanted to gauge interest and find out how much money there will be.
If you're interested in any of the sites or can make suggestions, please reply along with how much you would be prepared to put in (message me if you want to keep it private). For me, I'll pick any and will put in at least $150. I'll keep a running count as the numbers come in. I've also posted this on the AEVA forum so between the two there'll hopefully be enough interest.
Suggested sites are:
1. Bateau Bay, 100km from Sydney CBD - Makes a daytrip to the Central Coast possible especially if you live further north. Sun Valley Caravan Park are open to the idea of hosting it. As some might know from the meet, charging at 10A was a bit slow.
2. Mittagong, 113km from Sydney CBD - Like above but for southerners who want a daytrip to the Southern Highlands. Could potentially lead the way to an EV highway to Canberra. It would be great if we could get L3's installed instead but until then, L2 is the next best thing.
3. Wollongong, 85km from Sydney CBD - Opens up the coast for daytrips, haven't found a place yet.
4. Katoomba, 104km from Sydney CBD - See my other posts about my experiences driving there. Having a higher amperage L2 there would be handy, it means being able to drive around the area and not leave the car plugged in at the caravan park all day.
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 31, 2013 14:06:04 GMT 11
even if you don't have the money to put in it would be good to know which one your most likely to visit
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Post by Jim Hare on Dec 31, 2013 14:55:48 GMT 11
Don't think I'd put money in as it would be INCREDIBLY rare that I would use it, but the two locations that would open up more possibilities would be Wollongong and Katoomba.
Level III chargers would make it a no-brainer, Level II would still require a huge time commitment and unless it was in a place of great convenience and interest I probably wouldn't bother with Level II.
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 31, 2013 15:42:23 GMT 11
level 3 requires a high $$$ injection basically the cost of a LEAF in itself. where as level 2 is easier to obtain. we are more likely to get one therefore building momentum towards a level 3. thinking big act small and things will grow.
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Post by Jim Hare on Dec 31, 2013 17:43:31 GMT 11
I just wouldn't use a Level II unless I knew it would be free, it were in the perfect spot, and I had at least 3 uninterrupted hours to get a decent charge.
Katoomba is a one-way trip if you can't be guaranteed power!
I think the costs of Level III have dropped considerably in the last year. To me, that's where the action is.
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Post by Feng on Dec 31, 2013 18:33:39 GMT 11
Katoomba is a one-way trip if you can't be guaranteed power! As long as the caravan park is okay then that can be a backup site. A separate faster L2 charger would just be handy. The ~50km downhill decent gives you ridiculous amounts of regen. From memory it goes up by about 30km by the end of it.
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Post by gabzimiev on Dec 31, 2013 23:16:23 GMT 11
While i agree level 2 is too slow a charge to really allow practical long distance driving. It does 2 important things advertise Electric vehicles. (people oh look if i buy an EV i can charge at my local pub, shopping centre etc..) two it beats having to call a tow truck if your running low on charge because of unforseen road events.
I do 240km on the EV a week but still spend $46 a week on petrol for the ICE as well. so more insturcture means I can increase my EV kms even more. as our family does travel to the central coast once a month and sydney 4-5 times a year.
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Post by Jim Hare on Jan 1, 2014 9:57:11 GMT 11
True That!
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Post by stewartm on Jan 5, 2014 22:10:35 GMT 11
Have you thought of a cheaper option like an open source or EMW charger? www.emotorwerks.com/ ~$300 Issue I have locally with one of the free Chargepoints, is that everyone parks in the EV charging spots, both are always full. I agree that a pub or shopping centre may be the option. Maybe convince Stockland, Westfield etc that it may enhance their green credentials. Offer to supply the unit, the power to them would be a nothing, and they can advertise green friendly parking. Tritium veefil.com/ would be able to supply a L3 charger if we got the support. Could ask Paul Sernia if he would do one at cost to get promotion. 20 mins is a great option.. Stew
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Post by gabzimiev on Jan 6, 2014 8:33:42 GMT 11
Stew
the problem with the open source or EMW charger is while they are cheaper we would have to then pay for RCM or c tick testing. as even if we are giving them away for free we would still be distributing them so it would require RCM marks.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jan 6, 2014 12:24:40 GMT 11
Have you thought of a cheaper option like an open source or EMW charger? www.emotorwerks.com/ ~$300 Issue I have locally with one of the free Chargepoints, is that everyone parks in the EV charging spots, both are always full. I agree that a pub or shopping centre may be the option. Maybe convince Stockland, Westfield etc that it may enhance their green credentials. Offer to supply the unit, the power to them would be a nothing, and they can advertise green friendly parking. Tritium veefil.com/ would be able to supply a L3 charger if we got the support. Could ask Paul Sernia if he would do one at cost to get promotion. 20 mins is a great option.. Stew I saw some talk somewhere that they were looking at doing a small Open Source Chademo. That got my attention. The 15KW L2 doesn't do much for me, I can only use 3.3KW. The price is right though.
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Post by duncan on Jan 6, 2014 14:18:53 GMT 11
Great idea Matt. I'd be willing to put in 150 as well Afterall, that's only 2 week's petrol from the old days. And I don't really mind which of the 4 directions, I'd just like to see it happen
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Post by stewartm on Jan 6, 2014 17:58:54 GMT 11
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Post by gabzimiev on Jan 6, 2014 20:42:16 GMT 11
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Post by richardh on Jan 27, 2014 10:48:35 GMT 11
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Post by Feng on Jan 27, 2014 11:03:36 GMT 11
Hate to be a party pooper but that paper is from 2012 and was written before Better Place pulled out of the country and went bust.
As for the L3 chargers that were installed, the last I heard one got reclaimed by the manufacturer (Schneider Electric) and the two Westfield ones are pending removal.
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Post by Phoebe on Jan 27, 2014 11:07:10 GMT 11
And totally out of date with Better Place going to the wall and most of their equpment being dismantled
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Post by Phoebe on Jan 27, 2014 11:10:02 GMT 11
Hate to be a party pooper but that paper is from 2012 and was written before Better Place pulled out of the country and went bust. As for the L3 chargers that were installed, the last I heard one got reclaimed by the manufacturer (Schneider Electric) and the two Westfield ones are pending removal. Great minds think alike Your comment didn't show up until after I typed mine, Feng!
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Post by gabzimiev on Feb 3, 2014 10:10:00 GMT 11
3. Wollongong, 85km from Sydney CBD - Opens up the coast for daytrips, haven't found a place yet. might of found a potential site, I have a contact now at the salvos in wollongong salvos.org.au/wollongong/
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Post by Feng on Feb 3, 2014 10:42:17 GMT 11
Sweet, I'll have to check it out if it's a go ahead. It's 134km round trip from my place so I'd feel more at ease if I can charge in Wollongong.
I'm already thinking about checking out Speers Point up north now that the council charger is active.
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Post by Mike on Feb 6, 2014 8:10:06 GMT 11
Hey all, been a while. I can install and certify at no cost, may need assistance with concreting and labour on the day. Maintenance and re-setting could be an issue if that dang stop button trips main breaker as per the Schneider units.
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Post by Feng on Feb 6, 2014 10:10:04 GMT 11
Thanks Mike, good to see you around. There has been a poor response to this, maybe there's just not enough interested owners for now.
I wonder if BMW is going to deploy any public infrastructure when the i3 goes on sale here? If/when there's an i3 owners forum I'll ask the owners there about crowdfunding.
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Post by Jim Hare on Feb 6, 2014 17:47:31 GMT 11
You da man Mike!
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Post by gabzimiev on Feb 10, 2014 11:18:49 GMT 11
I wonder if BMW is going to deploy any public infrastructure when the i3 goes on sale here? If/when there's an i3 owners forum I'll ask the owners there about crowdfunding. insideevs.com/bmw-board-member-public-charging-not-that-important/ doesn't look good that bmw will spend any time on public infrastructure... plus they will use completely different plugs (type 2 with CCS) to the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 15:28:27 GMT 11
Would be great if they could do a joint venture with Nissan n install combo stations
Then everyone would be happy for next 5 years
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Post by richardh on Feb 10, 2014 18:55:11 GMT 11
Could we lobby Westfield to take over the ownership of the two installed chargers? This would make sense with more EVs such as the BMW i3 for release soon. Could be a way for Westfield to attract good customers and some 'green' PR. Alternatively, could Chargepoint or Nissan take them over?
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Post by gabzimiev on Feb 10, 2014 19:10:07 GMT 11
Could we lobby Westfield to take over the ownership of the two installed chargers? This would make sense with more EVs such as the BMW i3 for release soon. Could be a way for Westfield to attract good customers and some 'green' PR. Alternatively, could Chargepoint or Nissan take them over? ok richard to give the back story that we know of with the betterplace chargers at westfield After betterplace left Australia the ownership of the chargers reverted back to Schneider electric, they sold betterplace the chargers to begin with. Schneider electric so far have removed the one at morriset and when members of the forum have rung Westfield to check westfield has confirmed that Schneider has begun arrangements to remove the other ones. the chargers have multiple problems detailed in the smart grid smart city: they decide to turn off a lot, when the e-stop is pushed you need a electrically qualified person to go out and fix it. and that tuggerah has suffered some weather damage and needs repair. they currently work now you (if they are still there) just need to get hold of a betterplace RFID card.
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Post by gabzimiev on Mar 9, 2014 14:56:56 GMT 11
1. Bateau Bay, 100km from Sydney CBD - Makes a daytrip to the Central Coast possible especially if you live further north. Sun Valley Caravan Park are open to the idea of hosting it. As some might know from the meet, charging at 10A was a bit slow. So we've purchased a 30amp level 2 J1772 charger for the park now the process of see if we can find enough power capacity to install it.
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Post by gabzimiev on Jul 4, 2014 12:56:07 GMT 11
update well the one a sun valley has sat in a box for some time... why because is because in order to not have to pay for install I had to wait until the park sparkie (1 sparkie gets like all the work which the parent company has for 3-4 parks) had some free time. he came a looked at it last wednesday and said he need some more parks or something and maybe monday.
did we get any more progress with other sites ? any more suggestions for other public sites ?
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Post by markrmarkr on Jul 4, 2014 15:14:10 GMT 11
did we get any more progress with other sites ? any more suggestions for other public sites ? You know what would be good - If the other sites would get on chargepoint, describing what arrangements they have, how many amps, how much it costs etc. Even without a L2 EVSE, that would be a big help.
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