Leaf v2h musings

[chickenman]

Hi There Leafers.

As a Hyundai Ioniq Plugin owner I am new to your forum.  Have owned the Ioniq for about a year and love it.  Rarely run on fuel unless going on a trip so can easily make the jump to full electric as we have other ICE vehicles.
Nissan dealers are desperate to move current model Leafs so it is possible to get a fairish changeover on the Ioniq.  If anything I think the Ioniq is a nicer car but I am attracted to using the Leaf for V2H.

I am looking at the Electway V2H unit plugged to a dedicated circuit in our new 3ph house.  There is a youtube video with a guy in Qld with the same set up with a Mitsi PHEV.  Have any of you Leaf guys given it a go?

You may have seen the V2G pilot program being done with Nissan in Canberra.  Maybe the future but by the time there is any sort of consensus with the grid suppliers we will probably all be dead.  V2H has more chance I reckon.   

[tomkauf]

Welcome chickenman. I haven't done it myself, but my stepfather is very interested in it. Can I ask who the QLD YouTuber with the PHEV is? I'd like to see what he did, and with what equipment.

One thing to consider is that Nissan may be dropping CHAdeMO as their standard. They already have in the US for some of their upcoming vehicles, and gone to CCS.
That apparently also supports V2H, but if you're spending $$s on a wall-box that will do V2H, it's something to consider. Then again, no point thinking about future-proofing, when CHAdeMO vehicles are plentiful in Asia & Australia. Whereas I don't even know if any CCS Vehicles support V2H yet.

[chickenman]

Hi Tom,
Here is the youtube link;
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQjDi5aXTg
Considering how pathetically slow the Aussie EV market is, chances are that CHAdeMO will outlast you and me.
Just got an email from the Nissan dealer and they are bringing the Leaf to demo tomorrow since I am not prepared to drive into virus riddled Melbourne at the moment.
I will be running it up to our local Chargepoint to see if our Ioniq adaptor cable works.
An interesting point is that Chargepoint has effectively abandoned Australia so as their points breakdown they are not repaired.
So much for a bright future for public charging..

[chickenman]

I have noticed in a video that at Chargepoint chargers the Leaf charges at around 6kW whereas the best the Ioniq does is 3.4kW.
I think it because it is a plugin but the double speed would be nice.

[brunohill]

www.electway-store.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=90&products_id=335

This would work a lot better with my (Australian Made) Selectronic Hybrid Inverter, Solar and batteries, than the Tesla powerwall. It could be setup to change automatically without disconnecting the power to the house or charge the house batteries as well, or run a bit of both if the peak demand was there.
I have always tried to explain to the 4WD people who knock my leaf, what they could do if they had a Mitsubishi PHEV when they went camping.

[chickenman]

Yes Bruno that is the beast. I have spoken with the manufacturer and can have one sent to my usual Chinese exporter in 3 days. Compared to the guesstimate prices of 10,000AUD for v2g units in the future in Australia it is cheap. Still 3000USD is real money so on pay back alone it is not really a goer. Even at that price a real dedication to the technology is needed and if the thing dies after 2 years and can't be fixed then it is all for nought.
I know I am a sucker so if I do buy the Leaf which is supposed to be coming today then I will get an Electway. The hope will be that I can pay for it by the time that v2g actually becomes viable.
I don't bother trying to "turn" ICE drivers to the advantages if BEV. It is one of the main reasons we bought the Ioniq, it is completely invisible. THe new Leaf is fairly innocuous and has the essential driving aid of adaptive cruise so I am prepared to try it out.

[chickenman]

Well I took the Leaf for a short drive and it seems pretty similar to the Ioniq. The higher driving position is nice and the Chargepoint rate of 6.6kW was nice to see. It does not have LKAS but the Ioniq LKAS was pretty rubbish to what is in our old Audi.
Anyway the deal was excellent so we collect the Leaf on Thursday. WE will be sad to let the Ioniq go but the Leaf v2h will be a new adventure!

[tomkauf]

Thank you for the link chickenman. Was very interesting! I've forwarded it on. I was wondering if it was Andy and it was . I've met him (I'm in one of his videos with his Tesla hehe). I didn't think he had V2H when he had his Outlander PHEV, but it made sense when I saw him visiting a guy who did.

Congratulations on your Leaf! The faster charge rate is nice. Australian delivered ones had that, whereas Japanese ones like ours only have 3.3kW (at least that's how it was with the older generation).

[chickenman]

Thanks Tom,
We pick up the Leaf tomorrow.
I have just concluded a deal on a Setec 6KVA V2H unit. I have decided on this one because of the higher 20amps available through one plug socket. That way the Leaf can power the entire house (except for our 21kW hydronic heat pump) without worrying about splitting off the kitchen circuit. Plus the Setec is simpler with just go/stop controls and no hokey screen or software.
I wont pay for it until I am sitting in the Leaf in case something goes south and I end up with an expensive door stop.
The Setec will travel from Shenzen in the South to Dalian in the NE to our main factory before coming out on a container of our irrigation stuff. We should have it in a couple of months.
I got them down to the same USD 3000 as the smaller 4 KVA Electway so it is not a bargain but I know I will be itching to try it out.

[tomkauf]

That sounds great. Let us know how it goes.

[chickenman]

Here it is;
youtu.be/3uEiD9Icr3g

Have only tested it for a couple of minutes but seems to work ok.  
Super simple to operate.  No screens or startup routines.  Just plug in, switch on and push start.