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Post by pharmadave on Jul 3, 2019 12:56:35 GMT 11
Just found this amazing carsales listing for an Australian delivered Leaf with 2055Kms on the clock and 11 battery cars for $16,981. Link is here: www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Nissan-LEAF-2012/OAG-AD-17352614/?Cr=1Looks to be in brand new show room condition. I'm thinking did they just find this out the back of the storage warehouse and are selling it?
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 3, 2019 13:06:35 GMT 11
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Post by mickey on Jul 3, 2019 16:32:54 GMT 11
I would think there is a bit more of a story to it as the price is too low and it would be at a Nissan dealership. Probably didn't do big trips and traded in on an Outlander.
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 3, 2019 17:42:18 GMT 11
I would think there is a bit more of a story to it as the price is too low and it would be at a Nissan dealership. Probably didn't do big trips and traded in on an Outlander. Is the part about trading in for an Outlander speculation or knowledge of the background? I'm a little confused.
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Post by rusdy on Jul 3, 2019 19:16:05 GMT 11
Either way, that's indeedy a low priced one!! Even with the extra 10k for battery change!
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Post by mickey on Jul 3, 2019 19:23:27 GMT 11
Rusdy it's a Mitsubishi dealership.
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Post by Feng on Jul 3, 2019 19:45:27 GMT 11
Anyone else feel uncomfortable with the low state of charge it was in when the photos were taken? It looks like it's in turtle mode but still has one battery bar left. I wonder what's the deal there?
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Post by rusdy on Jul 4, 2019 19:26:48 GMT 11
Anyone else feel uncomfortable with the low state of charge it was in when the photos were taken? It looks like it's in turtle mode but still has one battery bar left. I wonder what's the deal there? Huh, you're right. How come it's on turtle with 1 bar left? I tried to run down mine so low (last record 2.5%SoC as per LeafSpy) to see how accurate the GoM, but never brave enough until the turtle is on (i.e. the cell voltage less than 3V according to this one).
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Post by Feng on Jul 4, 2019 20:22:13 GMT 11
I'm just speculating: What if they changed the pack but didn't use consult to register the new one? I believe the car cripples itself like that until that's done. Maybe the original pack died from lack of use and low state of charge?
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Post by chuq on Jul 8, 2019 17:35:18 GMT 11
Clearly someone in NSW needs to take this one for a test drive just to double check the status!
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Post by Kim on Jul 8, 2019 23:16:41 GMT 11
Clearly someone in NSW needs to take this one for a test drive just to double check the status! It’s in Newcastle not Sydney, if it were in Sydney I would
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Post by seb on Jul 9, 2019 16:48:52 GMT 11
I am thinking about it! I posted on the battery+range section about my concerns with 2012 battery discharge in hot conditions and cost of replacing it in case it’s a dud. I am new to this. Any recommendations for what to look for? This is the best guide I found so far. insideevs.com/news/325877/used-nissan-leaf-buying-guide/
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Post by seb on Jul 9, 2019 18:47:27 GMT 11
Spoke to the car shop manager about the car. He said the car was first registered in Australia in 2016 (from import of a 2012 manufacturing year I think) so it has 2 years of battery warranty left. He said he ran a battery health and it’s at 86%. He said the battery level was low in the picture because thats how it was dropped in the shop when he took the picture. I gave him a refundable deposit to lock it in and he is going to send me all the paperwork. But sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
Does anyone see something dodgy, or that I should be looking out, ask about?
Thanks!
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Post by brunohill on Jul 10, 2019 0:29:02 GMT 11
How many kWh did the battery take to recharge to 100 % from that low state of charge?
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Post by seb on Jul 10, 2019 10:12:28 GMT 11
I don’t know. But good question to ask. How do you find out if you don’t have a dedicated charger?
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Post by seb on Jul 10, 2019 12:26:00 GMT 11
Got bit more info on this car from Nissan, or for 2012 in general. *Warranty for a 2012 leaf is 3 years or 100kms (e.g. slow battery degradation to 8 bars or less). *Manufacturing defect warranty is 5 years or 100km (e.g. quick loss of battery to something like 5 bars). *Battery exchange program is $9990 minus gst and install. Used to be $30k. *Only approved dealership in Sydney is southern city in zetland. Guy on the phone claimed not to know anything about hot weather causing fast degradation of battery in 2011/2012 models reported in US, and confirmed chemical make up of battery is the same as the US. So don’t understand why Australia would not implement the same replacement program if they have the same problem. I guess it would be easy to make the point in an Australian court of law. It’s not like it don’t get hot in Australia. New leaf will come with 9 years warranty, but new batteries from exchange program keep same warranty from same leaf model. I’ll copy this to the other thread on batteries, where I asked these questions.
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Post by Feng on Jul 10, 2019 15:22:04 GMT 11
Does anyone see something dodgy, or that I should be looking out, ask about? Just the whole turtle mode while there's still a battery bar remaining looks unusual. If they let you take it for a test drive it'll be obvious that something's not right. Also pop the bonnet and remove the plastic covers near the bottom corners of the windscreen. See how rusty the bolts above the struts are. More discussion here: ozleaf.proboards.com/thread/726/cleaning-leaves-leafIt's possible for a dealer to reset the capacity bars and there's at least one person on the mynissanleaf.com forum who bought what they thought was a good deal only to wonder why the capacity took a dive in the following weeks.
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Post by empowerrepower on Jul 10, 2019 22:23:53 GMT 11
Got bit more info on this car from Nissan, or for 2012 in general. *Warranty for a 2012 leaf is 3 years or 100kms (e.g. slow battery degradation to 8 bars or less). *Manufacturing defect warranty is 5 years or 100km (e.g. quick loss of battery to something like 5 bars). *Battery exchange program is $9990 minus gst and install. Used to be $30k. *Only approved dealership in Sydney is southern city in zetland. Guy on the phone claimed not to know anything about hot weather causing fast degradation of battery in 2011/2012 models reported in US, and confirmed chemical make up of battery is the same as the US. So don’t understand why Australia would not implement the same replacement program if they have the same problem. I guess it would be easy to make the point in an Australian court of law. It’s not like it don’t get hot in Australia. New leaf will come with 9 years warranty, but new batteries from exchange program keep same warranty from same leaf model. I’ll copy this to the other thread on batteries, where I asked these questions. Hi Seb, Nissan updated the battery warranty for capacity to be 5 years sometime after the car came to Australia, and it will show up somewhere in the threads here. I had my Leaf battery replaced under warranty in May 2019 before selling it, four years after purchase.
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Post by seb on Jul 11, 2019 13:33:37 GMT 11
Got bit more info on this car from Nissan, or for 2012 in general. *Warranty for a 2012 leaf is 3 years or 100kms (e.g. slow battery degradation to 8 bars or less). *Manufacturing defect warranty is 5 years or 100km (e.g. quick loss of battery to something like 5 bars). *Battery exchange program is $9990 minus gst and install. Used to be $30k. *Only approved dealership in Sydney is southern city in zetland. Guy on the phone claimed not to know anything about hot weather causing fast degradation of battery in 2011/2012 models reported in US, and confirmed chemical make up of battery is the same as the US. So don’t understand why Australia would not implement the same replacement program if they have the same problem. I guess it would be easy to make the point in an Australian court of law. It’s not like it don’t get hot in Australia. New leaf will come with 9 years warranty, but new batteries from exchange program keep same warranty from same leaf model. I’ll copy this to the other thread on batteries, where I asked these questions. Hi Seb, Nissan updated the battery warranty for capacity to be 5 years sometime after the car came to Australia, and it will show up somewhere in the threads here. I had my Leaf battery replaced under warranty in May 2019 before selling it, four years after purchase. Thanks empower. How many battery bars did you have left when you sold it? Was this for the 2012 leaf?
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Post by empowerrepower on Jul 11, 2019 17:50:29 GMT 11
As the battery had been replaced the previous month, it had 12 bars. The new battery also took the range up to 130-150km per charge from the 80 km that it had with four bars down. Regen was also better post-replacement. If you are looking at purchasing a 2012 Leaf, you may want to buy a dongle and download Leafspy Lite so that you can check out any cars you are looking at.
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Post by seb on Jul 12, 2019 16:33:05 GMT 11
Thanks everyone for the tips! I had a look at the $18000 2012 leaf. Looked ok (ex-CSIRO in ACT), but needs rego and 40k service (that owner is willing to pay for). Dealer told me Nissan leafs are dropping in price because after 5 years you can import the car. So the market is now more flooded with Leafs; apparently.
Checking out the car in Hamilton, NSW over the weekend. Will give you an update if I become an owner! (may arrange to get it delivered, since there are no CHAdeMo chargers in the 180km's between Hamilton and Sydney; well there is a Nissan in Central Coast so 87km+83km, but I don't want to end up stranded if it turns out I burned my battery like a noob!).
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Post by seb on Jul 12, 2019 19:33:00 GMT 11
Something odd. Nissan Leaf 2012 with 11 bars shows 93km of range full of battery and 2k on the odometer with no 40k/2 year service afaik. GVM 3/16. With battery capacity report to confirm it. Also shows turtle when very low in picture in first thread post.
Then Nissan Leaf 2012 with 10 bars shows 120km of range full battery and 20k on the odometer and all but 40k/2 year service. GVM 12/15. Owner has confirmed it has been driven for 82km and had ~18km left on it.
Why the difference. I know the estimate for range is a bit nonsense. Could it be a software update on the service of the second car, or does it say there is something dodgy with the first?
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Post by EVangelist on Jul 12, 2019 20:32:03 GMT 11
Something odd. Nissan Leaf 2012 with 11 bars shows 93km of range full of battery and 2k on the odometer with no 40k/2 year service afaik. GVM 3/16. With battery capacity report to confirm it. Also shows turtle when very low in picture in first thread post. Then Nissan Leaf 2012 with 10 bars shows 120km of range full battery and 20k on the odometer and all but 40k/2 year service. GVM 12/15. Owner has confirmed it has been driven for 82km and had ~18km left on it. Why the difference. I know the estimate for range is a bit nonsense. Could it be a software update on the service of the second car, or does it say there is something dodgy with the first? You should check the kWh/km recorded for the car, since it’s unlikely to have been reset. Hit the button on the lower right of the dash with the square marked on it until the efficiency figure comes up on the display. It’s probably very high, depending on how it’s been driven, which would yield a low range estimate fully charged. When I picked up my LEAF new in 2014, the efficiency figure was 0.27 kWh/km which is truly appalling. I average 0.13-0.14.
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Post by seb on Jul 12, 2019 21:45:08 GMT 11
Awesome! I don't think this car has been driven much. I think it's a demo from a Nissan Dealer. So that'd make sense. Thanks for the tip also! I'll probably be checking it out tomorrow AM. Long drive. Early rise. Will report back!
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Post by seb on Jul 13, 2019 10:45:35 GMT 11
Yeah. It’s 0.2kWh/km. Few dents but otherwise fine.
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Post by Feng on Jul 13, 2019 12:41:28 GMT 11
Are you getting it?
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Post by seb on Jul 13, 2019 20:21:58 GMT 11
I am! Will probably get it shipped to Sydney next week once all paperwork done.
I test drove it for a bit to check battery. Drives similar to other 2012 Leaf I tried; same kick. 12km loop twice (so 24km) with ~100m elevation profile. 1/2 half is 70km/hr with 100m elevation, other part 60km/hr + part town; Took 3 battery bars out from full 12 bar charge. Car battery has 11/12 health bars.
First loop was not in ECO (average efficiency 0.2kW/km). Second loop was in ECO (average ~0.15kWh/km).
Background I could gather, it was indeed a trade-in from a few weeks ago. Probably people that didn't do their homework before buying it.
I'll soon be one of you!
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 15, 2019 0:27:24 GMT 11
In that case seb that was a great find! Congrats and happy Leafing around Sydney!
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Post by seb on Jul 15, 2019 11:08:36 GMT 11
In that case seb that was a great find! Congrats and happy Leafing around Sydney! Thanks for all the help! I’ll share the leafspy report when I get the car end of this week.
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Post by seb on Jul 17, 2019 14:30:40 GMT 11
Alright! Got the beast! SOH is 78% Is that good? Anything else I should be sharing about the car from leafspy? UPDATE: Wife drove the car for 15km and car stated: "Limited power notice" Vehicle inspection is required: please consult your dealer. Hopefully I get a new battery out of it!
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