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Post by pharmadave on Oct 13, 2017 19:53:54 GMT 11
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Post by rusdy on Oct 13, 2017 23:06:47 GMT 11
the comments made by people still show the ignorance, dismissive and hostile positions... Ah yes, I don't think that is going to change in the near future. Looks like near decade for Australia  . Sadly, human psychology is the barrier, not technology. |
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Post by alison on Oct 14, 2017 7:05:05 GMT 11
the comments made by people still show the ignorance, dismissive and hostile positions... Ah yes, I don't think that is going to change in the near future. Looks like near decade for Australia . Sadly, human psychology is the barrier, not technology. Learnt quite some time ago that it's not worth trying to convince people with prose when you are completing against well-funded vested interests. People have built strawbale after visiting our house, instead of the black-roofed McMansions I see around us. People have bought EVs after hearing our personal experiences with ours, not reading MSM media articles about them vs. 100 years of cheap-oil warm the planet thinking. And because it's topical, people have voted Yes after meeting my family rather than believing what their Church or upbringings have taught them. |
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Post by pharmadave on Oct 14, 2017 9:54:01 GMT 11
It was good to read quite a few EV drivers contribute to the comments to section sharing their experience. Especially Tesla owners who enjoy a longer range and also a well set up and growing charging network. Although the cost of entry into a Tesla is still prohibitive for many.
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Post by pharmadave on Oct 14, 2017 10:10:42 GMT 11
I'd really like to set up a survey of electric car owners and solar panel system owners to see what the correlation is for EV ownership and having solar panels installed.
The argument that many anti-EV or pro fossil fuel advocates use is that Australia's grid is coal fired which then leads down the path of EVs being coal fueled car etc.
I wonder how many Ev owners have solar panels or choose renewable sources to power their home/car. Also for those who do not have an EV at the moment but have solar panels, how likely they are to consider buying an EV.
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Post by Phoebe on Oct 14, 2017 12:25:49 GMT 11
I'd really like to set up a survey of electric car owners and solar panel system owners to see what the correlation is for EV ownership and having solar panels installed. The argument that many anti-EV or pro fossil fuel advocates use is that Australia's grid is coal fired which then leads down the path of EVs being coal fueled car etc. I wonder how many Ev owners have solar panels or choose renewable sources to power their home/car. Also for those who do not have an EV at the moment but have solar panels, how likely they are to consider buying an EV. I have a LEAF, solar panels, battery back up and a separate solar hot water system. |
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 15, 2017 7:14:30 GMT 11
I'd really like to set up a survey of electric car owners and solar panel system owners to see what the correlation is for EV ownership and having solar panels installed. The argument that many anti-EV or pro fossil fuel advocates use is that Australia's grid is coal fired which then leads down the path of EVs being coal fueled car etc. I wonder how many Ev owners have solar panels or choose renewable sources to power their home/car. Also for those who do not have an EV at the moment but have solar panels, how likely they are to consider buying an EV. I have been solar more or less continuously for the last 15 years. Love my LEAF and I am now based in Sapphire Queensland on a mining lease and fully solar/storage. Not enough of a setup to charge the LEAF, so I have to leave it at a mate's place once a week overnight. Oh, and he is on solar:-). I insist on paying him $0.50 per kWh and just yesterday I handed him $157 for 5 month's. How's that, $1 a day. Education in the form of riding and driving EVs and hearing first or 2nd hand from actual EV owners will always turn heads/minds. I give demo drives (or if they won't drive, at least rides) to several un(der)educated travelers each week. Without exception, they leave totally convinced it is the future. In the meantime, I have given up on counter arguing against "coal fired EVs".  Lots of trees I don't want to remove so some panels for the morning and some for later. |
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 15, 2017 9:44:42 GMT 11
It was good to read quite a few EV drivers contribute to the comments to section sharing their experience. Especially Tesla owners who enjoy a longer range and also a well set up and growing charging network. Although the cost of entry into a Tesla is still prohibitive for many. The level of ignorance shown by some in the comments section is extraordinary. The comments from "Amanda" about running out of power (and having to swtich off the "engine" in a traffic jam) show ignorance has no bounds. I would be laughing in a traffic jam! The cars around me will run out of petrol before my battery goes flat! And the nonsense repeated that BEVs have more lifecycle CO2 emissions than ICE, which has been proven wrong over and over, and the faux-concern over the environmental damage from mining some of the exotic metals required to manufacture BEV, while no such concern is expressed over the environmental damage from mining some of the exotic metals required to manufacture ICE, and none on the provably environmentally damaging process of drilling for oil, extracting it, refining it, and transporting it. As well as fighting wars to maintain supply. |
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 15, 2017 10:01:37 GMT 11
I wonder how many Ev owners have solar panels or choose renewable sources to power their home/car. Also for those who do not have an EV at the moment but have solar panels, how likely they are to consider buying an EV. I've been 100% green power customer for over 15 years. So if someone thinks they're being a smart-ar$e by telling me my car is coal powered I simply say "no, it's powered by 100% renewable energy". That shuts them up, or they become more abusive because their smart-alec line has come unstuck. Hard to tell in advance sometimes which way they'll go. We are thinking of putting solar on our house but it's a difficult install (very high and steep roof) so the house would need to be scaffolded to do it. It would be inaccessible once installed so maintenance would have to be zero, and I don't know if that's the case with solar panels. Also there's the rapid technology change dilemma. Every year that goes past, the solar panels get better and costs reduce, so there's a "benefit" in waiting and since I'm a green power customer, no CO2-guilt in doing so. Given the limited roofspace I have, the total amount of power I can generate is my dominant decision factor. How close can I get to going "off grid"? At the moment solar panel efficiency would need to be double what it is today, or I'd have to halve my power consumption. Panel efficiency has been increasing at about 1% per year over the past 10 years, so a doubling from 20% to 40% is some time off. I have reduced my consumption by about 20% through various efficiency measures (e.g. LED lights) and plan to replace a lot of glass with double glazing and various other things to improve house energy efficiency - but halving consumption is tough. And then when I get Tesla Model 3, it will eat up a lot of those savings. But we'll still probably do it, with battery storage, in the next 1-2 years. |
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Post by EVangelist on Oct 15, 2017 10:03:32 GMT 11
Hey jeffthewalker - love your "Regional Ranking of 1" avatar. The best I've ever done was in the high teens, from memory.
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 15, 2017 15:44:51 GMT 11
Hey jeffthewalker - love your "Regional Ranking of 1" avatar. The best I've ever done was in the high teens, from memory. Thanks. You are the first to comment. I got that "No. 1" after continually stretching the economy when crossing the Nullarbor and doing the rest around Oz last year. And my battery was in the low 17kWhs when fully charged around that time (Nov 2016). I was having a ball watching the ranking come down from day to day and was very surprised when it got to single figures. You betcha I was over the moon when I saw the "No 1" ranking. I did many days in a row with 0.11 kWh/km, or less, after a drive on a "full tank". Best I ever got was 0.08 after 146km with still 1 bar left (couldn't sync the blinking range to go:-). Other photo is running out of "gas" 700meters from a Nullarbor roadhouse. Out with the generator for the first time.    |
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 15, 2017 15:54:11 GMT 11
Hey jeffthewalker - love your "Regional Ranking of 1" avatar. The best I've ever done was in the high teens, from memory. And I also took a photo of the temperature on the dash. 37degC. Just after leaving the Pink Panther Pub at Larrimah. Needless to say, I was not using the air conditioner so an "interesting" day to set a record.  |
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Post by pharmadave on Nov 10, 2017 15:35:47 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on Nov 16, 2017 7:53:57 GMT 11
And until such a time as they can be taxed heavily, there will be little constructive effort made to play catch-up with the rest of the world as it progresses.
A simple point, not too hard to consider isuch as a ten percent drop in fuel excise into central government coffers would rapidly leave Australia in the red ....more.
Although the image of Australia externally makes the many look like luddites, we do want technology, but the what's in it for me brigade, sadly are asphyxiating the technology via every single propaganda platform they can.
I note AGL's nice TV advert misses the point of how difficult it is to actually own an EV.
Being surrounded by water is one of our difficult issues, the other is greed.
Still, I can always go and buy a cheap V8, 5.0l .....they are virtually giving them away, so one can buy an expensive debt machine, 'cos I only bought it two years ago, and I can't scrap it, or I'll loose too much. America doesn't want them, the Aussies will buy them if you advertise it in a tacky manner.
Sheeesh!, and they buy them!?!?
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. Sadly, human psychology is the barrier, not technology. 
