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Jun 16, 2013 12:31:16 GMT 11
Post by Phoebe on Jun 16, 2013 12:31:16 GMT 11
Feng, I nearly always get Dean by email nissan_leaf@nissan.com.au He is Dean Despotovski and can be contacted by phone at the Customer Service Centre 1800 LEAF EV (1800 532 338). I would certainly report the state of the car when you took delivery. He often comes up with unexpected solutions to problems.
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Jun 17, 2013 1:59:26 GMT 11
Post by Brian on Jun 17, 2013 1:59:26 GMT 11
Feng, I suspect the disclaimer may have been if you didn't have a dedicated charge point. If you plug the EVSE into a 10Amp circuit that has other high-draw appliances ( cooker, microwave,kettle, etc ) running concurrently you could (1) trip the circuit breaker or blow a fuse, or, worse (2) start an electrical fire - and Nissan don't want the blame.
I had a dedicated 15Amp point installed for a Circontrol Level 2 charger and did not have to sign a disclaimer. BTW, I have measured the draw on this at over 18Amps.
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Jun 17, 2013 9:05:18 GMT 11
Post by Feng on Jun 17, 2013 9:05:18 GMT 11
Thanks Phoebe, I'll definitely get in touch with Dean.
Brian, I'll scrutinise my breakers to see how they're set up, there's only one outlet in the basement garage so it might be okay. Charged for the first time over the weekend without problems using that Jaycar 15A adapter; we were careful to check for heat at various points and it was fine.
How long does it take your L2 charger to charge from empty to full? The documentation says 7-8 hours but someone said 6. I'd like to get one one day for the convenience but for now I've got all the time overnight to charge with the supplied EVSE. I'm a little paranoid about security since it's a shared strata carpark. Even though it's secured, we had something stolen once which I suspect was by the meter reader guy who has access.
I've been spending too much time on Google Maps trying to figure out where to take the car for road trips. Katoomba is reachable but will need a few hours of charging to get back. Alas Canberra's just way too far to be practical!
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Jun 17, 2013 10:06:06 GMT 11
Post by Phoebe on Jun 17, 2013 10:06:06 GMT 11
There's a lot of uphill to Katoomba, Feng, and that will gobble up your range faster than you think - wouldn't try it if it's more than about 90 kms and you can recharge before coming back which would be much easier because there is a lot of downhill.
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Jun 17, 2013 12:29:09 GMT 11
Post by Jim Hare on Jun 17, 2013 12:29:09 GMT 11
Also depends on your accommodation. I know a lot of motels have 15amp outlets for campers/trucks etc. Could be you could charge overnight.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:01:47 GMT 11
Post by Feng on Jun 17, 2013 20:01:47 GMT 11
Even though Penrith Nissan isn't an authorised LEAF dealer, I might try my luck and ask them if they could spare an outlet for an hour or two just so I can top up before heading west. Not sure what sort of reception I would get!
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Jun 17, 2013 20:18:48 GMT 11
Post by duncan on Jun 17, 2013 20:18:48 GMT 11
Alas Canberra's just way too far to be practical! Indeed! I am working down here atm and the Leaf is staying home with Kel....I drive one of the fossil fuel burners instead. You should try some freeway speed trips before planning too much. As well as hills, driving at 110 sucks the juice about twice as quickly as 60.....ie you may get as little as 80klm. With the heater/air con off!
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Jun 18, 2013 13:48:41 GMT 11
Post by Phoebe on Jun 18, 2013 13:48:41 GMT 11
Yes Feng, Duncan is right. Try some short freeway trips to see just how fast you lose range before you attempt Katoomba. If Penrith Nissan are not authorised LEAF dealers they probably don't have the facitities for you to charge from. Nissan won't let dealers who are not authorised LEAF dealers do anything with the LEAF in case they get electrocuted. Dean will tell you that.
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Jun 18, 2013 14:46:01 GMT 11
Post by Feng on Jun 18, 2013 14:46:01 GMT 11
Yeah I'll be sure to experiment with a few partial expeditions first. I would only borrow a power outlet at Penrith Nissan to top up before making the jump out west. It's only 52kms between Penrith and Katoomba so as long as the car is mostly charged it should be fine.
I spoke to Dean about EVSE's yesterday and he was insistent that the Origin charger is the way to go and that Nissan won't guarantee anything with 3rd party chargers. Even though the E-station is authorised by Nissan in Europe that doesn't count for anything here. He suggested I check with the manufacturers to see what policies they have if the EVSE damages the car. So far the supplied EVSE is doing just fine, it's very satisfying to go to bed nearly empty and wake up with it charged to 80%!
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Jun 18, 2013 16:07:14 GMT 11
Post by Phoebe on Jun 18, 2013 16:07:14 GMT 11
Feng, so long as your 10amp connection isn't getting hot, your present arrangement may be all you ever need. Obviously Dean and Nissan would rather you got the Origin charger, they did some sort of deal with Origin. It only cost me about $200 to get a dedicated 15 amp circuit to my garage, which ensures that using the provided EVSE, nothing ever gets even warm, let alone hot. That may not be possible in your strata building.
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Jun 18, 2013 19:07:20 GMT 11
Post by duncan on Jun 18, 2013 19:07:20 GMT 11
....I spoke to Dean about EVSE's yesterday and he was insistent that the Origin charger is the way to go and that Nissan won't guarantee anything with 3rd party chargers.... Before purchasing a 3rd party charger, I got written confirmation from the dealer that 3rd party chargers are OK: From: John Kiparizov [mailto:JohnK@sydneymotorgroup.com.au] Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013 9:52 AM To: Handley, Duncan Subject: RE: Black Nissan Leaf
Hi Duncan
I have spoken to Nissan head office and have been told that as the e-station charger is certified for use with the LEAF it should be ok to use with your car.
However just check their warranty details as if there is any damage caused by the charger you may have an issue with your Nissan warranty. Other than that it should be ok as it is your choice who you use to provide your charge station.
Kind regards, JohnAlso, the Circontrol charger I used is certified by Nissan: www.e-station.com.au/PDF/Circontrol_Nissan%20Europe%20Conditional%20Recognition_v6.pdfClearly, Nissan get some sort of benefit from Origin for charger sales.
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Jun 19, 2013 1:42:12 GMT 11
Post by Brian on Jun 19, 2013 1:42:12 GMT 11
Feng, I have never hung around to time the charge from empty. I also forget to read the predicted time on the dashboard before I switch off - I just set and forget.
However, EStation advise - " The Nissan Leaf has a 3.3KW on-board charger capable of drawing a maximum of 15 amps. It will recharge the 24KWH battery pack in 6 hours from a 15 amp power supply and 8 hours from a 10 amp power supply. The cable that comes with the Nissan Leaf is hardwired to draw a maximum of 9.75 amps and will not draw 15 amps even if it is plugged into a 15 amp socket."
. . . and I wouldn't argue with that.
As for security, when I charge in a public place, I put a small padlock through the hole in the J1772 charge plug once this is plugged into the car. This prevents an honect person from removing the EVSE ; and, so far, the ' UnGodly ' have not shown an interest in EVs ( to my knowledge ). I could supply a pic if it would help.
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Jun 22, 2013 12:40:13 GMT 11
Post by Feng on Jun 22, 2013 12:40:13 GMT 11
Thanks Brian, we're already padlocking ours in our own garage just as a precaution. The times seem to be doing us just fine since we normally charge to 80% anyway.
Does anyone here use email notifications and does it work for them? I've enabled it but I'm getting nothing, don't know if I'm doing anything wrong.
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Jun 22, 2013 22:04:03 GMT 11
Post by duncan on Jun 22, 2013 22:04:03 GMT 11
If you will need to lock it all/most of the time, Nissan jp sell an accessory that locks the charging port with a cable plugged in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 8:00:10 GMT 11
My imiev is also called Evie I also use a padlock from bunnings in public Wish that Holden/clipper creek would have a lock hole on their charge couplers. They once used the yazaki charge coupler. But have since moved to the Delphi Version.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:15:12 GMT 11
Post by riddick on Oct 6, 2014 21:15:12 GMT 11
Feng, I do use e-mail notification and it works, but not as I expected. I was expecting to get an e-mail reminder say 10 mins after the charge timer was supposed to start. Instead I get e-mails at 9am and all throughout the day at random times. It is more like spam that I just tend to ignore.
The car knows when it is programmed to charge, so it could e-mail if it is not plugged in at that time instead. I complained to Nissan at some stage that it does not work as specified, they told me to collect some evidence, but I never bothered to ring back.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:59:08 GMT 11
Post by iamlsd on Dec 17, 2016 22:59:08 GMT 11
This is an old thread so hope it is ok to use. Anyway after 3 years and our leaf is paid off and finaly fully ours - and we still love and only one bar down the supplied Nissan EVSE charger has failed. Just stopped work, no lights, no nothing and it has a electrical burnt smell to it so I thing it is toast. This was our only charging option as I never bought or installed anything else. So is what is the best replacement these days - the number of options is a bit bewildering. Clipper creek seem to have some good options. I'm looking for a direct replacement for the Nissan EVSE so portable works with a standard plug or 15 amp + adapter. Is their a possibility to use get a charger that is a bit faster over 15 amps but I can still use with (a bit slower) with a standard plug?
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Dec 18, 2016 1:18:23 GMT 11
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Post by jake on Dec 18, 2016 1:18:23 GMT 11
This is an old thread so hope it is ok to use. Anyway after 3 years and our leaf is paid off and finaly fully ours - and we still love and only one bar down the supplied Nissan EVSE charger has failed. Just stopped work, no lights, no nothing and it has a electrical burnt smell to it so I thing it is toast. This was our only charging option as I never bought or installed anything else. So is what is the best replacement these days - the number of options is a bit bewildering. Clipper creek seem to have some good options. I'm looking for a direct replacement for the Nissan EVSE so portable works with a standard plug or 15 amp + adapter. Is their a possibility to use get a charger that is a bit faster over 15 amps but I can still use with (a bit slower) with a standard plug? The Volt EVSE is probably the cheapest replacement option that will use a standard power point. I don't think Clipper Creek have a 240 V 10 amp EVSE, just 15 amp so you would need a 15 amp power point for that option, but you will get 33% faster charging.
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Dec 18, 2016 1:36:48 GMT 11
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Post by jake on Dec 18, 2016 1:36:48 GMT 11
One more thing. A standard power point has a limit of 10 amps, so you can't use any EVSE that will draw more than that on a standard power point. In other words, you can't get faster charging without installing a dedicated circuit which is 15 amps or more.
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Dec 19, 2016 12:32:20 GMT 11
Post by iamlsd on Dec 19, 2016 12:32:20 GMT 11
Cool thanks for the info - the volt charger is $392 in Adelaide and you have order it in person and pay in advance - comes from Melbourne. Bit pricey but I think will be the quickest replacement for me in Adelaide. I'll get a wall mounted charger on a dedicated 15 amp circuit later on and have to get one of those tesla adapters as the Tesla destination chargers seem to be popping up everywhere.
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Dec 19, 2016 14:08:28 GMT 11
Post by Feng on Dec 19, 2016 14:08:28 GMT 11
Have you shopped around? I got mine for $364 (I think) three years ago. RRP used to be $350 from the website.
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Jan 6, 2017 14:04:21 GMT 11
Post by iamlsd on Jan 6, 2017 14:04:21 GMT 11
I ended up buying the Volt charger for $392 as needed something quick. I intend to have the Leaf for a long time so I'll have to see about installing a permanent home charging option so I don't have to muck around with extension cords to reach our only outdoor plug which isn't close to the carport. At least I know that the fast charger is a good emergency option now as it is only 15 minutes away.
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Jan 6, 2017 15:03:37 GMT 11
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Clipper creek (cc) make the innards of the volt 10 amp evse. Funny thing is cc charge same price for 10 and 16 amp evses. Volt evse also has 16 amp label on the cord as they use the same cable for 10 and 16 amp models.
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Jan 8, 2017 22:09:50 GMT 11
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Jan 9, 2017 10:30:20 GMT 11
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Do you have one tjgeel?
I was thinking of going with the 32 amp model for i3. Have seen them on eBay
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Jan 9, 2017 12:08:23 GMT 11
Post by tjgeel on Jan 9, 2017 12:08:23 GMT 11
Do you have one tjgeel? I was thinking of going with the 32 amp model for i3. Have seen them on eBay Nup, I have a 16A Clipper Creek EVSE and a very happy with it. The Evolution units look interesting though and I think the company is based in Glen Iris, Vic. Cheers
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Jan 10, 2017 20:14:09 GMT 11
Post by iamlsd on Jan 10, 2017 20:14:09 GMT 11
Yep that 10A / 15A unit looks good - I'm getting a 15 amp plug installed soon and so I could get one of these setup semi permanently for home and leave the volt charger in the car. The volt charger seems to draw more than the Nissan EVSE did just based on anecdotal evidence that the 20 meter extension cord I used both with the volt charger and the Nissan one is much warmer charging with the volt. I know it is bad practise to use an extension cord which I won't be doing much longer.
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Jan 10, 2017 22:38:20 GMT 11
Post by stewartm on Jan 10, 2017 22:38:20 GMT 11
Not so much the cord but the moulded plugs in some of the cheaper 15 amp cords are not up to continuous 15 amps. Sometimes even putting quality plugs on can be damaged by high resistance contacts in the outlets. Doesn't take much to resistance to create heat at 3.6kw
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Jan 11, 2017 9:01:37 GMT 11
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Post by jake on Jan 11, 2017 9:01:37 GMT 11
Not so much the cord but the moulded plugs in some of the cheaper 15 amp cords are not up to continuous 15 amps. Sometimes even putting quality plugs on can be damaged by high resistance contacts in the outlets. Doesn't take much to resistance to create heat at 3.6kw I would not recommend using an extension lead drawing 15 amps. That is asking for trouble. I use a 15 amp lead while drawing 10 amps. The plug gets warm doing this so I would hate to see how hot it would get if I was drawing 15 amps.
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Jan 11, 2017 9:31:41 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on Jan 11, 2017 9:31:41 GMT 11
Not so much the cord but the moulded plugs in some of the cheaper 15 amp cords are not up to continuous 15 amps. Sometimes even putting quality plugs on can be damaged by high resistance contacts in the outlets. Doesn't take much to resistance to create heat at 3.6kw I totally agree. Best option is a dedicated feed from the wall box, with a decent Clipsal 56C315 socket on the end. For future proofing, get the feed with 40a cable on it.
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