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Post by stewartm on May 10, 2017 12:04:05 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 10, 2017 13:06:59 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 10, 2017 13:41:56 GMT 11
Unless Nissan pull their socks up, the ZOE E is on my shopping list! Can't be too expensive, or is it going to be a mass import.. but not list so we can't have one?. If BMW's ugly(in my own opinion) offering is in the $60k mark, the ZOE E. has got to be less pricey.
At this moment, I'm awaiting a return call from Renault AU about when, and how much..
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 10, 2017 15:17:58 GMT 11
Ok. Just had a call back from Renault-Nissan in VIC. Nice lady delicately said(in guessing tongue-in-cheek here), that they are having an announcement for the Australian version shortly, which accordingly means a month or so. No pricing etc was divulged. I asked the question I'd been eager to pose.. it's not going to be like the Holden & Cart 'Spark' is it?, which implies it maaay be an EV... but still with 20th century technology powering it. The lady doesn't think so.
I await further news.... from Renault-Nissan
The world isn't flat after all.
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Post by stewartm on May 11, 2017 9:38:44 GMT 11
Issue they have is doing a deal with TESLA to use their chargers. Reason being that the Renault Zoe is built around its three phase charger that is integrated into the motor winding system. I.e. the J1772 is not in any way compatible. It needs the three phase mennekes to charge as per the Tesla destination chargers. Yes it will do a very slow charge from a household unit, but to have 22kw EVSE around and not use them would be difficult. As mentioned before the LEAF is more refined and finished than the ZOE. But I have to admit that in France the ZOE does well due to the masses of Three phase outlets. Its also very simple, no big units, just an RFID and three phase power, hence they are cheap to build and install, and there are masses of them. Morbihan(my other home) is only 150km x 50km in size, but has over 250 charge points. That means if one is off there will be another 3 within about 10km. The Zoe I have is the older one with 200km range, but even this doesn't worry me. The new 400km one would be my only car here if it was to be brought out.
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 11, 2017 12:12:38 GMT 11
We are considering a place in southern France, somewhere near Montpellier in the next 2-3 years, if Orihuella suddenly lacks appeal to the wife, ...which is our other home. Now we are getting close to being able to lay down our tools, the real eco thing is now on track, which allows for technology to advance.. sadly here is a charade. The way the country is run does not allow for advance, but how much $ first. Upsetting really, but at least in Spain, we and they admit shonky happening, and one can work with it. Last time I lived, not worked in S France, I noted a relaxed, more honest administration, where value and a persons efforts were not thwarted. Almost all European, and other countries looked at the horizon, and planned for one of the biggest changes in the last hundred years, sadly our Au administration were busy counting each other's wallets, and missed the boat so to speak... the country will have to pay dearly now to even begin to catch up. Power for electric vehicles,.. it's who they can get into the proverbial bed with, which closes other manufacturers doors, and restricts the chances of owning EV's to most of the population, which somehow defeats all the Eco drive we have banged in our ears daily. Au is our home, and always will be, but living in the mire of propaganda, convolution & fabrications is now lacking appeal. Au will probably get swamped with cheap ground Coke based graphite battery technology EV's, so more than 1% of the populous can actually begin to alleviate the pressure oil based energy is placing on our only home.
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Post by stewartm on May 11, 2017 15:07:14 GMT 11
I can also lament the lack of green progress, but I will retire in Bretagne(Brittany) as I love the lifestyle, the culture and the people. The government is held to account to the people, strange concept here. Apathy is not as prevalent, and yes honesty is higher. They are open about power as per the website; www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/ They are positive about EV's with an €10,000 subsidy They are determined to reduce pollution and oil use. I'm still undecided about nuclear, I suppose it is zero carbon but...
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 12, 2017 1:56:01 GMT 11
There are advances in neuclear power afoot. It's looking like cern will be part of the way forward, added to further advances. Personally, I think it is going to be the way, as fossil fuel reserves are exhausted almost(comparatively). Looking like we may be about 7-8 hrs apart, or less if! France is the final destination. For the wife's health, we have to be in a warm patch of the world. There's no language barriers for us, so the settling in may be easier. Hopefully, I can continue with my sport, on a tour basis, and if positioned nicely, the sky should be relatively un-polluted.
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Post by pharmadave on May 12, 2017 10:25:45 GMT 11
I have a feeling it might be the Kangoo ZE, by the looks of it, they have been trialing and building a business case for it. I hope it also brings the Zoe ZE along with it.
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Post by EVangelist on May 12, 2017 21:14:17 GMT 11
There are advances in neuclear power afoot. It's looking like cern will be part of the way forward, added to further advances. Personally, I think it is going to be the way, as fossil fuel reserves are exhausted almost(comparatively). I don't think so. Nuclear power is just too darned expensive. It takes 10 years to build a "safe" nuclear plant and they cost billions - around $5Bn/GW - and that translates to a high c/kWh. They need constant, expensive, maintenance. And no-one, absolutely no-one wants one in their neighbourhood. In contrast, a wind farm or solar farm of the same capacity can be built in 2 years for half the cost, around $2.5Bn/GW. Can you wait 10 years for additional grid power? Didn't think so. And there's a reason that on average over the past 20 years fewer than 4 nuclear reactors have been brought on line globally per year: every single nuclear reactor project currently underway in the world is either partly or fully underwritten by a government and fully indemnified - meaning the public are taking on all the risk. Private capital won't back it - the risks are too high and nuclear power only survives through subsidy. And I haven't even mentioned that no-one has solved the issue of what to do with the waste.
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 16, 2017 18:25:19 GMT 11
There are advances in neuclear power afoot. It's looking like cern will be part of the way forward, added to further advances. Personally, I think it is going to be the way, as fossil fuel reserves are exhausted almost(comparatively). I don't think so. Nuclear power is just too darned expensive. It takes 10 years to build a "safe" nuclear plant and they cost billions - around $5Bn/GW - and that translates to a high c/kWh. They need constant, expensive, maintenance. And no-one, absolutely no-one wants one in their neighbourhood. In contrast, a wind farm or solar farm of the same capacity can be built in 2 years for half the cost, around $2.5Bn/GW. Can you wait 10 years for additional grid power? Didn't think so. And there's a reason that on average over the past 20 years fewer than 4 nuclear reactors have been brought on line globally per year: every single nuclear reactor project currently underway in the world is either partly or fully underwritten by a government and fully indemnified - meaning the public are taking on all the risk. Private capital won't back it - the risks are too high and nuclear power only survives through subsidy. And I haven't even mentioned that no-one has solved the issue of what to do with the waste. [ It's a big planet, waste isn't really that voluminous. Put a wind farm up, and the space in 3 dimensions per GW is quite a blot. To say they are expensive depends on many factors. It's actually quite surprising how small the waste is, the awkward bit is what can be done with it also. There are very deep mines more than acomodating for this in the world, and until further advances, are one of the solutions. Most of the public are, like they are with EV's, ready to take on the concept of a neuclear dump visualised by the likes of the Simpsons, but sadly, the cartoon is where it should stay. Still, like the similarity I drew between an old piston driven vehicle & EV's easy of use, it's difficult to circumnavigate Neuro Lingustic Programming, often driven by anterior motives. The visions the media portray are easily absorbed. Now what is the worst view on a picturesque lanscape. Even windscale for all it's hiccups is prettier.
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Post by pharmadave on Jul 6, 2017 19:36:26 GMT 11
I have a feeling it might be the Kangoo ZE, by the looks of it, they have been trialing and building a business case for it. I hope it also brings the Zoe ZE along with it.
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Post by stewartm on Aug 11, 2017 7:06:37 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Sept 25, 2017 15:09:00 GMT 11
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Post by Mike on Sept 25, 2017 15:35:38 GMT 11
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Post by billyen on Sept 25, 2017 18:37:24 GMT 11
Wow! 300-400Km of range. This is the EV that makes EVs mainstream in Australia. Well done and THANKS Renault (Carlos)!
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Post by pharmadave on Sept 26, 2017 10:28:00 GMT 11
It seems that Renault will target Government/Fleet/Business customers with these cars. It might be hesitant to sell one to a private person just yet. If a private person wants one, they might have to contact Renault head office directly.
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Post by stewartm on Sept 26, 2017 16:16:49 GMT 11
Do you mean the kangoo? As the Zoe will be general release according to the lady I spoke with about a month back.
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Post by pharmadave on Sept 26, 2017 23:29:45 GMT 11
It seems to be initially offered and serviced by 1 dealership in Sydney and 1 dealership in Melbourne. It's very much a targeted and conservative roll-out.
I would really like to take one for a test drive once it becomes available.
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Post by billyen on Nov 7, 2017 18:07:09 GMT 11
Looks like they'll be selling to general public now too. On car sales....all 3 models...spoke to salesperson. $51k. In stock...in 4 weeks.
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Post by stewartm on Nov 8, 2017 11:29:25 GMT 11
Will be a great starter, long range and the ability to use the Tesla destination chargers. I note that the Qld EV highway will have a Tritium DC, CCS and Chademo, and a separate EV-link Mennekes AC charger @ 44kw. Should be all up and running by Xmas (As Below) EV SUPERHIGHWAY - ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS(CLOSED TENDER)
Organisation: Queensland Government Issued by: Ergon Energy Corporation Limited Tender #: 00001476 Location: Queensland : Cairns & Far North Queensland, Gladstone, Mackay Whitsunday Region, Rockhampton, South East Queensland Category: Civil Construction Services : Civil & Earth Works (General) Electrical Systems & Lighting & Equipment & Services : Electrical Services, Electrical wire & cable & harness, Switchboards & Switchgear Signage : Signage Closing date: 30-08-2017(closed) Description: The scope of this project is all contractor performed electrical, civil and signage works required for the installation of EV Chargers for the following locations. Tully, Bowen, Mackay, Carmila, Marlborough, Miriam Vale (Northern Package) and Childers, Maryborough, Cooroy, Charlton, Springfield and Helensvale (Southern Package). The scope excludes work to be completed by the electrical utility provider.
The following general scope refers to site specific preliminary concept sketches (subject to change) attached to the appendix of the Scope of Works: * Procurement, install and energisation of a standalone 3 phase switchboard and mounting plinth.
* Install and energisation of 2 chargers (one of each per site): * 1xTritium Veefil - TRI93-50-01 “Veefil 50kW DC Fast Charger * 1xEVlink 44kW AC EV Charger
* Procurement and install of all underground conduits and consumer mains. Including the following; * 2x63mm electrical underground conduits from distribution board to charger locations via 2xP5 electrical pits (see site specific details for locations/lengths). * 1x100mm electrical underground conduit between Ergon Point of Supply and 3 phase LV switchboard (see site specific details for locations/lengths).
* Installation of concrete foundation and slab to accommodate charging units, signage and bollards. * Removal of vegetation, paving, garden beds etc. as required for adequate installation (please see site specific details for more information). * Site clean-up, rubbish disposal and re-instatement to the satisfaction of The Principal.
All site works including testing and commissioning to be completed by 17 December 2017.
Tenders are to be submitted on the basis that they are for the whole Contract or for complete packages.
Ergon Energy’s preference is to award one Contract for Packages 1 & 2 (all sites) to a single Contractor however may elect to award Package 1 and Package 2 as separate Contracts to different Contractors.[/b]
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Post by stewartm on Nov 8, 2017 11:44:58 GMT 11
I just spoke to my local salesperson, ignoring that she called the make a "renolt" as it sounds, she said that they don't make a hybrid. I said no full electric, she said that the company doesn't make full electric vehicles. I then said I had an email from Renault in September stating later this year the Zoe and Kangoo EV's would be here. She said Renault don't have a Zoe. I gave up at that point...
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Post by Feng on Nov 8, 2017 12:52:53 GMT 11
Name and shame on their FB page! Nice to know it's not just the Nissan side of the alliance that's clueless.
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 22, 2017 18:21:35 GMT 11
I just spoke to my local salesperson, ignoring that she called the make a "renolt" as it sounds, she said that they don't make a hybrid. I said no full electric, she said that the company doesn't make full electric vehicles. I then said I had an email from Renault in September stating later this year the Zoe and Kangoo EV's would be here. She said Renault don't have a Zoe. I gave up at that point... That is so bad it is funny. You should have spelled out the website address.
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Post by empowerrepower on Nov 23, 2017 12:34:33 GMT 11
Leo of www.myelectriccar.com.au reports that in his inquiries to Renault, they said that the Zoe and and Kangoo will only be fleet vehicles, and that they have no plans to sell to the public. So very disappointing if this is true.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 22:42:30 GMT 11
They are following in Mitsubishi’s footsteps. 2010 imiev only for govts and fleets.
Then 2011+ to general public who were crazy enough to spend $48,880 + orc
At least they didn’t do a Nissan Leaf mistake of ordering top spec and having to wait for 5 years to sell their stock.
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Post by stewartm on Nov 24, 2017 10:09:29 GMT 11
If you really want one, there are a number of fleet buy companies that will buy for you. Sad that you have to go down this path, given the infrastructure for mennekes is there...
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Post by ozukleaf on Jan 12, 2018 15:35:31 GMT 11
FYI: so long as you have an ABN - you can buy one yourself. Sole traders are welcome according to Renault. (Was at the Renault Zoe launch here and know someone who is picking up one soon!) For more info: see my article in latest ReNew mag re Zoe & Kangoo ZE availability. Cheers Bryce (Member: AEVA AND Renault Car Club)
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Post by pharmadave on Jan 16, 2018 19:05:36 GMT 11
ozukleafAny ball park figures on driveaway price and if the price was negotiable?
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Post by stewartm on Jan 25, 2018 13:45:35 GMT 11
FYI: so long as you have an ABN - you can buy one yourself. Sole traders are welcome according to Renault. (Was at the Renault Zoe launch here and know someone who is picking up one soon!) For more info: see my article in latest ReNew mag re Zoe & Kangoo ZE availability. Cheers Bryce (Member: AEVA AND Renault Car Club) I have spoken to Renault locally and state, they have advised that they absolutely wont sell to sole ABN traders. I was told bluntly that there was no way I could get one. The local guy said that its new technology and the public werent used to it yet. I said I owned two Nissan LEAFs and a Renault Zoe Intense in France. Offered to show the the Carte Gris (grey card) of ownership, still no dice. I do really give up!
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