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Post by gregleaf on Apr 26, 2017 13:11:47 GMT 11
I emailed Nissan Australia last week about the cost of a out of warranty battery pack replacement. To their credit a got a phone call back and a email suggesting I contact my local Zero Emissions dealer, Parramatta Motor Group. I left a message with them, not expecting a reply a much to my surprise they did call back. He stated that there was no stock number for the battery pack (stating that he had never seen a part without a stock number before) and you guessed it he would need to contact Nissan Australia for a price and get back to me. I am not holding my breath, but will update this post if I can get a Australian $figure out of them.
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Post by lesmando24 on Apr 26, 2017 16:28:23 GMT 11
They will give you an answer of $625 per module x 48 = $30,000 plus installation.
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Post by gregleaf on Apr 26, 2017 16:37:22 GMT 11
They will give you an answer of $625 per module x 48 = $30,000 plus installation. That's crazy! They are 5-6K in the US. How is your new pack going? What is your new range |
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Post by pharmadave on Apr 27, 2017 17:59:13 GMT 11
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Post by rusdy on Apr 28, 2017 11:36:48 GMT 11
... I can't see Nissan Australia doing any of this. Aah, I was so excited reading the first line and then... Ouch, I was really looking forward for a battery replacement. Looking at the trend of my current battery, I definitely need one in 3 years:  Attachments:
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Post by pharmadave on Apr 28, 2017 12:29:27 GMT 11
I'm curious what caused the big spiked in SOH in July 2016 rusdy ? |
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Post by rusdy on Apr 28, 2017 15:00:45 GMT 11
Sent it to the dealer for service.
The flat is due to in repair (got rear-ended really bad).
For Hx, now that I think of it (still a guess), it's the capacity displayed on the fuel gauge. For example, when I fully charged my car, it shows 120-ish km (getting accurate these days, unlike early days). At 60% Hx, the car basically saying I only have 14kWh (60% * 24kWh when new) available. I tested this once running it down to almost empty, and true enough, it gave me 120km range (didn't test it to turtle).
120km * 0.12kWh/km = 14kWh!
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Post by lesmando24 on Apr 28, 2017 20:43:03 GMT 11
They will give you an answer of $625 per module x 48 = $30,000 plus installation. That's crazy! They are 5-6K in the US. How is your new pack going? What is your new range I have not got my pack yet. Not sure when it will arrive. les |
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Post by jesta on Apr 29, 2017 14:03:08 GMT 11
I got this response last year in may. They tell us "we do not anticipate owners having the need for a whole battery". What sort of language is that. I want to buy a new battery so tell me how much it will costs... Have Nissan just given up completely on EVs? I long for the day when we a treated in a similar way to other bigger markets customers eg US Below is text response from my email Dear Mr Jacobs Vehicle Details: Nissan Leaf Thank you for your recent online enquiry in relation to the above vehicle concerning battery replacement for your Nissan Leaf. The capacity of the Li-ion battery in your vehicle to hold a charge will, like all such batteries, decrease with time and usage. As the battery ages and capacity decreases, this will result in a decrease from the vehicle's initial mileage range. This is normal, expected, and not indicative of any defect in your Li-ion battery. Nissan Estaimates that battery capacity will be approximately 80% of original capacity after five years, althought this is only an estimate, and this percentage may vary ( and could be significantly lower ) depending on individual vehicle and Li-ion battery usage. In regards to your query on a purchase of a new battery, we do not anticipate owner's having the need to repace the whole battery as they use individual battery cells which can be replaced if they have degraded to the point of being useful to replensih the battery as a while. If you still wanting to purchase a new battery or cells, then you will need to be in touch with your local Nissan dealer preferrably a Leaf specialist to assist you with your request. Please click on the following link www.nissan.com.au/find-a-dealer so that you are able to search for your nearest Nissan Leaf specialist. Kind Regards, ____________________________________________________________ Fayez Customer Service Consultant Customer Experience Nissan Motor Co. (Australia) Pty. Ltd. Locked Bag 1450 Dandenong South, Victoria, 3164, Australia Ph: 1800 035 035 opt 2 csc@nissan.com.au www.nissan.com.au |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 15:57:56 GMT 11
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 2, 2017 8:33:18 GMT 11
I got this response last year in may. Â They tell us "we do not anticipate owners having the need for a whole battery". What sort of language is that. I want to buy a new battery so tell me how much it will costs... Have Nissan just given up completely on EVs? I long for the day when we a treated in a similar way to other bigger markets customers eg US Below is text response from my email Dear Mr Jacobs Vehicle Details: Nissan Leaf Thank you for your recent online enquiry in relation to the above vehicle concerning battery replacement for your Nissan Leaf. The capacity of the Li-ion battery in your vehicle to hold a charge will, like all such batteries, decrease with time and usage. As the battery ages and capacity decreases, this will result in a decrease from the vehicle's initial mileage range. This is normal, expected, and not indicative of any defect in your Li-ion battery. Nissan Estaimates that battery capacity will be approximately 80% of original capacity after five years, althought this is only an estimate, and this percentage may vary ( and could be significantly lower ) depending on individual vehicle and Li-ion battery usage. In regards to your query on a purchase of a new battery, we do not anticipate owner's having the need to repace the whole battery as they use individual battery cells which can be replaced if they have degraded to the point of being useful to replensih the battery as a while. If you still wanting to purchase a new battery or cells, then you will need to be in touch with your local Nissan dealer preferrably a Leaf specialist to assist you with your request. Please click on the following link www.nissan.com.au/find-a-dealer so that you are able to search for your nearest Nissan Leaf specialist. Kind Regards, ____________________________________________________________ Fayez Customer Service Consultant Customer Experience Nissan Motor Co. (Australia) Pty. Ltd. Locked Bag 1450 Dandenong South, Victoria, 3164, Australia Ph: 1800 035 035 opt 2 csc@nissan.com.au www.nissan.com.au [ I'd like to see a reliable pack lashed together with a mix of old and new function correctly. The output from a good cell will wreck the lesser capable neighbour very quickly. Whack-a-mole games begin!! Obviously the knowledge is somewhat sparse somewhere. One has to make a battery with as near as one can get cells. The weaker ones will collapse under load, and then in it goes again. This kind of statement is very dangerous, as if a weaker cell begins to collapse in run-way fashion, a fire could ensue. Keep this email in a safe, secure place for the not too distant future. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 2, 2017 12:48:06 GMT 11
I have a repaired pack right now with 8 replaced modules. It still works ok, but the regen functions can be erratic. Also the range did not increase.
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Post by gregleaf on May 2, 2017 12:51:09 GMT 11
I have a repaired pack right now with 8 replaced modules. It still works ok, but the regen functions can be erratic. Also the range did not increase. les Any idea when you get your new replacement pack? Greg |
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Post by EVangelist on May 3, 2017 8:12:34 GMT 11
I wonder if any of the third party battery suppliers would take on the task of rebuilding one or more packs in a Leaf battery, if Nissan won't do it, or charge too much. There's a few companies out there that say if you have an old or boutique battery pack for something that is no longer available, they'll take the housing apart and repack with new cells. I guess a car battery is a slightly more daunting proposition than a pack for a hedge trimmer  |
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 3, 2017 12:28:17 GMT 11
I have a repaired pack right now with 8 replaced modules. It still works ok, but the regen functions can be erratic. Also the range did not increase. les Send it back if it doesn't perform correctly. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 5, 2017 12:17:08 GMT 11
Not sure when I get my new pack. Is still coming from the USA.
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 6, 2017 16:09:47 GMT 11
Not sure when I get my new pack. Is still coming from the USA. les The crazy thing is I should buy a LEAF, whip the battery out, and literally push the rest into the junk yard, and sell the pack, buy two LEAF, whip out the two packs, and push the two into the junk yard(still brand new!), and go out and buy three........ I'd make a huge profit?. I'm trying to work out what half wit would think they can fix a pack by buying one or two new cells, and bolting them in. The pack(battery) is as capable as the weakest cell in series, not the strongest. Simple electrics. Sure NAU will sell them, but not until all the cars have been pillaged first. It's cheaper and just as effective to create a module from decent cylindrical cells with management electronics per unit. That way one can weed out the weak cell in the unit, and change it for a few bucks. aka... Teslas fantastic power system. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 6, 2017 21:36:32 GMT 11
Battery packs in the USA are subsided by Nissan North America to $6499 plus $225 kit and labour. insideevs.com/breaking-nissan-prices-leaf-battery-replacement-5499-new-packs-heat-durable/Hopefully Nissan Australia will start selling them here. Otherwise you can purchase them 2nd hand for about $200 a module (from crashed 2016 model), so about $10,000 plus shipping and the kit / labour. You can't do a straight pack swap as the battery management computer is different. les |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 6, 2017 21:45:22 GMT 11
Also, I forgot, you cant replace faulty cells in tesla battery packs as far as I can see. Opening the pack is difficult and is separated into 16 modules with about 400 batteries a module. All batteries are soldered to fuse wires in case they short.
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Post by empowerrepower on May 6, 2017 22:53:56 GMT 11
Hi Lesmando,
A question from my husband... how come your replacement battery has to come from the US, if our Leafs came from Japan, and other replacement parts such as windscreens come from Japan?
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Post by lesmando24 on May 7, 2017 9:57:23 GMT 11
The original batteries were made by AESC (Automotive Energy Supply Corporation), a joint venture by Nissan and NEC in Kanagawa, Japan. They mainly made hybrid batteries, but made the LEAF and Renault Fluence Z.E. battery packs. This is handy as it is just down the road from Oppama, where the Nissan factory is located (on Tokyo bay).
Nissan created two new battery plants with loans from the countries governments, Sunderland, U.K. and Tennessee, U.S.A. Then in 2016, Nissan announced they are selling their share of AESC.
Apparently they never wanted to make batteries, but were forced to as LG was not a big automotive battery manufacturer back then. They still use NEC for battery components. I believe they are still looking to sell the battery factories.
It is rumoured the newer more dense batteries for the next LEAF are being made in the U.K. Tho Nissan told Theresa May they have to negotiate a good brexit deal or there could be tariffs imposed on goods from U.K. into the E.U. (or the exchange rate makes it uncompetitive), which might signal Nissan to leave the U.K.
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 7, 2017 19:26:40 GMT 11
I have a repaired pack right now with 8 replaced modules. It still works ok, but the regen functions can be erratic. Also the range did not increase. les Another point here is the range didn't change, the pack is still below the percentage of warranty. Ah is still the same as before, <70% |
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Post by 4wardthinking on May 8, 2017 19:04:37 GMT 11
Also, I forgot, you cant replace faulty cells in tesla battery packs as far as I can see. Opening the pack is difficult and is separated into 16 modules with about 400 batteries a module. All batteries are soldered to fuse wires in case they short. That's why it's easy. |
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Post by lesmando24 on May 30, 2017 9:42:38 GMT 11
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Post by Feng on May 30, 2017 12:47:27 GMT 11
Wonder if that's going to be good or bad for us?
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Post by EVangelist on Jun 3, 2017 11:46:15 GMT 11
Wonder if that's going to be good or bad for us? It might be good for us, because a new owner might see a market in being prepared to supply replacement battery packs to the >200k Leafs out there. Nissan seem uninterested as if it is a chore and a distraction to their main business, whereas a new owner would presumably chase down all potential sources of revenue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:23:23 GMT 11
Bmw i3 22kwh cells were going to cost $24k to replace under insurance
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Post by EVangelist on Jun 4, 2017 0:02:51 GMT 11
That's just insane g4qber - over $1000 per kWh. Tesla is aiming to get pack cost down to $100 per kWh, some reckon they are already down to about $150 with Gigafactory 1. The 14 kWh Tesla Powerwall 2 is about $8000, $570 per kWh, but that is price not cost and includes an inverter.
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Post by empowerrepower on Jul 15, 2017 15:44:10 GMT 11
Hi Lesmando,
Now that you've been driving your Leaf with your new battery, and possibly with the new Lizard chemistry, I was curious as to what your range is?
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Post by lesmando24 on Jul 16, 2017 9:56:57 GMT 11
Hey, range is like when I bought it in 2012. I get 110 - 130km on a 80% charge. Sometimes the GOM says 149km on the way to work, but the hills on the way home usually reduce it to 110km. When summer comes, it may be higher.
I have not tried any highway driving yet. Been too cold to go to the beach.
My energy consumption has gone down due to not filling to 100% anymore.
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