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Post by gregleaf on Mar 22, 2017 9:54:05 GMT 11
Here is a handy piece of kit. It is a 3 phase Mennekes (non Tesla) to a 3 phase 32 amp 5 pin adapter that allows a non tethered Mennekes outlet to be accessed to power my 10 Kw CHAdeMO charger.
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Post by stewartm on Mar 23, 2017 8:20:21 GMT 11
I am very impressed Greg...
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Post by stewartm on Mar 25, 2017 9:18:37 GMT 11
Did you make it yourself or buy it in Greg. Why won't it work on the tesla outlets? Is it the negative and positive PMW signal issue?
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Post by gregleaf on Mar 25, 2017 9:27:38 GMT 11
Did you make it yourself or buy it in Greg. Why won't it work on the tesla outlets? Is it the negative and positive PMW signal issue? Hi Stewart I had it made. The Tesla and the regular Mennekes (3 phase ) Type 2 work differently with the internal resistor. Hopefully a Tesla version will be conquered shortly
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Post by leafmedo on Apr 2, 2017 20:11:31 GMT 11
Another version of 3-phase adapter. The charge rate of 10kW SETEC charger is a bit more than double charge rate of the on-board charger, not really useful but it's ready for 3-phase charging network.
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Post by stewartm on Apr 3, 2017 11:00:19 GMT 11
Nice gear, I have my areas well planned, so the three phase cable and adaptor for 10 amp 3 phase is all I'm needing right now. But I like the idea.
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Post by EVtricity on Apr 6, 2017 11:04:48 GMT 11
Hopefully a Tesla version will be conquered shortly
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Post by dholms on Jun 25, 2017 22:05:12 GMT 11
Am I correct in say that the i3's J1772 / Type 1 inlet is (US / Canada / Japan) and the Tesla destination stations have the plug for US / Canada / Japan as well?
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 30, 2017 22:19:36 GMT 11
Am I correct in say that the i3's J1772 / Type 1 inlet is (US / Canada / Japan) and the Tesla destination stations have the plug for US / Canada / Japan as well? The Tesla destination charging stations in Australia (as well as Europe and Hong Kong) use the Mennekes Type 2 socket. Tesla has its own proprietary plug in the USA.
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Post by praxidice on Jun 16, 2018 6:06:33 GMT 11
I have a (Australian) Tesla to 15 amp 3 pin adaptor to allow me to use a regular J1772 EVSE with Tesla destination charging points. Can I use that same adaptor with Type 2 charging points to use the J1772 EVSE and also a Setec portable chademo as the comment about Australian Tesla chargers using regular mennekes sockets implies ?
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 16, 2018 22:19:54 GMT 11
The 10kW Setec Portable Chademo usually runs on three phase and pulls 8-9kW at max power so even if you could get it to work on single phase it wouldn't make sense to buy a AUD5000 Setec Chademo and then "turn down the charging" to run at only 15A (3.6kW). Chademo chargers are expensive and you want to run them at the fastest possible speed.
As mentioned in another post, you can get three phase 32A from Mennekes and Tesla 3 phase stations with an adaptor. If you get a Setec, sell the 15A Tesla adaptor and get a 3ph 32A Tesla adaptor to run the Setec.
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Post by praxidice on Jun 22, 2018 9:08:19 GMT 11
I was talking about single phase Tesla chargers, most of which are 32 amp. There doesn't appear to be any reason why my existing Tesla to 3 pin adaptor won't let a Setec pull up to 32 amps even though the socket is only a 15 amp one. Might be good to change the socket to a 32 amp one. Setec have agreed to provide a unit with both single phase and three phase inlet to maximize the number of places I can charge. The list will include J1772, type 2 mennekes, single and three phase Tesla and regular three phase. I think the best arrangement for the latter is a 20 amp plug on the Setec and a separate 20 amp to 32 amp adaptor since they are the only variations I've seen around. I know there is a 10 amp three phase but they must be rare as I don't recall ever seeing one.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jun 22, 2018 12:42:45 GMT 11
I was talking about single phase Tesla chargers, most of which are 32 amp. There doesn't appear to be any reason why my existing Tesla to 3 pin adaptor won't let a Setec pull up to 32 amps even though the socket is only a 15 amp one. Might be good to change the socket to a 32 amp one. Setec have agreed to provide a unit with both single phase and three phase inlet to maximize the number of places I can charge. The list will include J1772, type 2 mennekes, single and three phase Tesla and regular three phase. I think the best arrangement for the latter is a 20 amp plug on the Setec and a separate 20 amp to 32 amp adaptor since they are the only variations I've seen around. I know there is a 10 amp three phase but they must be rare as I don't recall ever seeing one. 10 amp 3-phase is mainly domestic.
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 22, 2018 18:16:07 GMT 11
I was talking about single phase Tesla chargers, most of which are 32 amp. There doesn't appear to be any reason why my existing Tesla to 3 pin adaptor won't let a Setec pull up to 32 amps even though the socket is only a 15 amp one. Might be good to change the socket to a 32 amp one. Setec have agreed to provide a unit with both single phase and three phase inlet to maximize the number of places I can charge. The list will include J1772, type 2 mennekes, single and three phase Tesla and regular three phase. I think the best arrangement for the latter is a 20 amp plug on the Setec and a separate 20 amp to 32 amp adaptor since they are the only variations I've seen around. I know there is a 10 amp three phase but they must be rare as I don't recall ever seeing one. Just be aware of the way that Tesla single phase chargers actually work. The chargers actually take in a single live phase and then split it across three live pins in the Mennekes socket. On the Tesla vehicle they have three chargers and each charger takes power from each live line. The concern is that if you try to pull 32A down just one of live line on the Tesla single phase charger (to feed your Chademo via an adaptor and single phase input) when it was only designed to send up to 40A in total or approx. 13A down each line. Under this scenario something bad may happen either the charger will see the 32A when it was expecting to see only ~13A and shutdown or something might melt because it wasn't intending to serve 32A down one of the three live lines. Here is the single phase charger manual - www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Wall_Connector_Install_Guide_Australia.pdfGiven most J1772 single phase stations are 30A/32A and single phase sockets <=32A you'll need to turn down the Setec in any case to avoid tripping the circuit breaker as it will happily pull more than 8kW (33A+).
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Post by stewartm on Jun 23, 2018 18:37:25 GMT 11
Exactly what I do at two mates homes where they have 10amp three phase, reduce the output from the Setec, still twice the speed of J1772 in the Leaf
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Post by praxidice on Jun 27, 2018 9:27:03 GMT 11
Just be aware of the way that Tesla single phase chargers actually work. The chargers actually take in a single live phase and then split it across three live pins in the Mennekes socket. On the Tesla vehicle they have three chargers and each charger takes power from each live line. The concern is that if you try to pull 32A down just one of live line on the Tesla single phase charger (to feed your Chademo via an adaptor and single phase input) when it was only designed to send up to 40A in total or approx. 13A down each line. Under this scenario something bad may happen either the charger will see the 32A when it was expecting to see only ~13A and shutdown or something might melt because it wasn't intending to serve 32A down one of the three live lines. Here is the single phase charger manual - www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Wall_Connector_Install_Guide_Australia.pdfGiven most J1772 single phase stations are 30A/32A and single phase sockets <=32A you'll need to turn down the Setec in any case to avoid tripping the circuit breaker as it will happily pull more than 8kW (33A+). I need to get my head around this stuff as I'm still somewhat confused. The Setec I'm getting will have both single phase and three phase input. Given the explanation above, it would appear that I need to use ONLY a Tesla to three phase adaptor with the Setec, regardless of whether or not the Tesla charger is single or three phase. Is this correct ? If I'm reading this correctly, there is no issue with a 32 amp single phase Tesla split across three lines (ie just under 10 amps per line), but you are saying the Setec input will need to be limited to 13 amps with a three phase Tesla charger ? This implies that there is no place for a Tesla to 3 pin single phase adaptor with a Setec .... a Tesla to three phase adaptor needs to be used with both single phase and three phase Tesla chargers.
As for a regular (non-Tesla) type 2 mennekes to 32 amp three phase adaptor, are there any issues with using a Setec ? Presumably that will also need the Setec input limited to 13 amps ?
I've missed something about the 32 amps from (single phase) J1772, I'm getting the message that the Setec input must be reduced to 13 amps ?
Assuming all the foregoing is correct, that should lead to a situation where common or garden variety 15 amp single phase input to a Setec will be fine, and still result in significantly faster charging time than a 15 amp EVSE ?
Bottom line with all this is to prevent 150k journeys outside 50kw chademo territory turning into a six hour marathon. I'm not particularly concerned about battery life as I intend getting a 40kw EV200 when they come available via the japanese auctions which I guess will be two years away, and in any case Setec charging is comparable to having a 7 kw or thereabouts AC charger and those don't appear to be associated with wholesale killing of batteries. This Minicab has the later style LEV50N batteries which are supposedly superior to the LEV50 in all pre 2014 / 2015 MiEVs, consequently if the official line has any credibility, battery life should not be a problem I'll encounter.
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 28, 2018 21:09:12 GMT 11
I'm sorry to confuse you with the additional information about the Tesla stations, to keep it simple, just don't use your Setec on single phase Tesla stations.
The Tesla three phase stations are capable of 32A each phase or 22kW in total - way more power than you need to run a 10kW Setec. Unfortunately, some Tesla stations have been limited based on available power at the site. You will only know that if you trip them or can see that limit noted in the Tesla charging map or Plugshare.
Mennekes Type 2 stations are rare in Australia but most are 22kW so you shouldn't have any issues at those using a Type 2 to 3ph 32A adaptor to run a Setec.
You need to understand the limit of every charging location you use the Setec. Because the Setec receives no information about charging station/outlet limits (no pilot signal is being passed to it) you need to take responsibility and turn down the Setec if the station can't provide 10kW.
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