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Post by jake on Jun 24, 2017 19:05:26 GMT 11
I think for me the deciding factor will be price. The model 3 is looking to be a bit pricey. A 40kw battery would be fine for me but I'm hoping for a 60kw in the new Leaf. I want to see what the new Leaf will cost. If my Tesla USD-AUD price conversion financial model is any good (and it might not be ) a bare-bones USD 35k Model 3 would drive-away here for about AUD 56k. The speculation on the Tesla forums is that Model 3 will have only two battery pack options - 60 kW and 75 kW. We will find out next month when the final car is revealed. 56K is a great price, but I don't think you can do a straight USD_AUD conversion. Overseas cars always cost a lot more than they do in their native country. I think it may be closer to 70K, but I am wanting to be wrong. 56K and I would definitely buy one.
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Post by jacky on Jun 24, 2017 19:13:48 GMT 11
If my Tesla USD-AUD price conversion financial model is any good (and it might not be ) a bare-bones USD 35k Model 3 would drive-away here for about AUD 56k. The speculation on the Tesla forums is that Model 3 will have only two battery pack options - 60 kW and 75 kW. We will find out next month when the final car is revealed. 56K is a great price, but I don't think you can do a straight USD_AUD conversion. Overseas cars always cost a lot more than they do in their native country. I think it may be closer to 70K, but I am wanting to be wrong. 56K and I would definitely buy one. Unlike other car manufacturers, Tesla do not mark up their price in other countries. Basically, the currency conversion + shipping costs + local taxes & fees.
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Post by EVangelist on Jun 25, 2017 9:39:33 GMT 11
56K is a great price, but I don't think you can do a straight USD_AUD conversion. Overseas cars always cost a lot more than they do in their native country. I think it may be closer to 70K, but I am wanting to be wrong. 56K and I would definitely buy one. Absolutely correct - you can't do a straight USD_AUD conversion - so I didn't do that. What I did was plot the known USD retail prices of all Tesla Model S and X variants against the drive-away prices of the same Model S and X variants in Australia, and then derived a mathematical relationship between the two. Hence it takes everything into account - exchange rate, shipping costs, homologation costs, GST, stamp duty and LCT without needing to know how any of these work individually. They are in effect all lumped together and reduced to a mathematical relationship based on known data points - put the USD price in one end, and the drive-away AUD price comes out the other. The correlation was extremely tight. Using just the mathematical model, the AUD drive-away prices it predicted based on nothing more than entering the USD price into the formula was at worst about $100 off the actual AUD drive-away prices, and in some cases only a few dollars out. Now there's one extra complication - all current Telsa models incur LCT, and LCT is not linear because it does not apply to fuel efficient cars below $76k. So just using the model as derived would incorrectly predict Model 3 pricing in situations where LCT would not apply. So I then modelled where, in USD terms, that breakpoint occurs - i.e at what USD price do you first incur any LCT based on the resultant AUD drive-away price. To do that I did have to reverse engineer the LCT, stamp duty and GST components of the final AUD price in order to correctly identify the breakpoint. Once the breakpoint was identified, the non-LCT formula was derived simply as a straight line between (0,0) and the breakpoint, and the correlation derived formula beyond that breakpoint. So the final result is a piecewise-continuous pricing model, and entering a USD 35k price spits out a drive-away price in NSW of AUD 56k.
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Post by Feng on Jul 24, 2017 16:24:31 GMT 11
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Post by Phoebe on Jul 24, 2017 16:34:44 GMT 11
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Post by EVangelist on Jul 24, 2017 23:43:24 GMT 11
What about the line "We’ve probably lost some impetus and focus, and to some extent that vacuum created has been perhaps filled by another brand."Gee, you don't say?
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Post by pharmadave on Aug 1, 2017 10:32:46 GMT 11
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Post by pharmadave on Aug 9, 2017 22:46:54 GMT 11
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aja
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Post by aja on Aug 17, 2017 14:41:59 GMT 11
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Post by iamlsd on Aug 24, 2017 1:33:48 GMT 11
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Post by lesmando24 on Sept 26, 2017 15:31:34 GMT 11
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Post by duncan on Oct 2, 2017 8:38:47 GMT 11
I feel like we've been here before....I remember registering for series 1 way back... Hope they have better luck with volumes this time around, our model must have been very disappointing sales wise
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Post by reecho on Oct 2, 2017 22:45:26 GMT 11
I dont expect the new Leaf here before 1st quarter 2019. We will not get the 40kWh version...
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 3, 2017 18:48:12 GMT 11
I dont expect the new Leaf here before 1st quarter 2019. We will not get the 40kWh version... My (very reliable) source cannot confirm or deny the battery pack size(s). But... "Great to hear from you mate. Nothing is for certain as you know, however our mail is mid next year."
"There is a big push on from Nissan Australia to get the car here quickly."
"I can guarantee you that from a Nissan Australia perspective if it were possible they would have it here tomorrow !!!!!!!!!!."
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Post by Feng on Oct 3, 2017 20:59:19 GMT 11
Can your source divulge any information on replacement pack pricing for current owners? Jim and I broached the topic while we were in Japan and they said they'll do something about it when they return to Australia. That was about a month ago.
I reckon they should wait until their dealer network is ready. Make sure they properly train a new generation of salespeople and mechanics, set up a charging network, etc. Don't half arse it!
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 4, 2017 6:10:18 GMT 11
Can your source divulge any information on replacement pack pricing for current owners? Jim and I broached the topic while we were in Japan and they said they'll do something about it when they return to Australia. That was about a month ago. I reckon they should wait until their dealer network is ready. Make sure they properly train a new generation of salespeople and mechanics, set up a charging network, etc. Don't half arse it! G'day. I have passed on your request. I have always been keen myself as I can envisage the day when I would welcome a pack exchange. I expect that the price will continue to drop and the volumetric capacity to increase. Wouldn't it be great to fit at least 40kWh into our 2012 space.
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Post by Feng on Oct 4, 2017 10:58:10 GMT 11
Wouldn't it be great to fit at least 40kWh into our 2012 space. Absolutely! I'd be happy if they allow us a 30kWh pack upgrade just so we won't eat into their new car sales. Thanks for asking your contact.
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Post by lesmando24 on Oct 4, 2017 11:17:18 GMT 11
Nissan America said they will not permit a 30kWh battery in a model made for 24kWh battery due to a software / hardware limitation. No idea what the limitation is. I gather something with the management computers not accepting the CAN bus messages??
les
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 4, 2017 14:57:20 GMT 11
Nissan America said they will not permit a 30kWh battery in a model made for 24kWh battery due to a software / hardware limitation. No idea what the limitation is. I gather something with the management computers not accepting the CAN bus messages?? les I have been hearing that too but (from January this year)...... cleantechnica.com/2016/01/19/3rd-party-nissan-leaf-battery-pack-upgrades-doubling-to-48-kwhMy logic (for what it is worth) thinks it could be done. And I think the recent upgrade fitted into the same space so there is some improvement volumetrically already.
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Post by jeffthewalker on Oct 4, 2017 21:47:10 GMT 11
Wouldn't it be great to fit at least 40kWh into our 2012 space. From some more research the eNV200 originally had the 24kWh.
"it (eNV200) still has the same 24kWh battery as the Leaf." From a previous article.
"What’s particularly notable here is that the new 40 kWh battery pack is apparently the exact same physical size as the lower-capacity battery pack that it’s replacing "
So, the new 40kWh pack is the same size as the 2012 24kWh pack.
I reckon someone will find a way to make a new 40kWh pack work in my LEAF.
Currently, fully charged, I have 16kWh.
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