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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:59:27 GMT 11
Imiev also doesn't work; probably same electronics as in outlander. And e-station's j1772 protocol tester.
Mark Just read your post about the 30 second delay. Did the telsa charger LED go steady red initially, then start charging with the animated green LED
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 11, 2017 8:53:54 GMT 11
Imiev also doesn't work; probably same electronics as in outlander. And e-station's j1772 protocol tester. Mark Just read your post about the 30 second delay. Did the telsa charger LED go steady red initially, then start charging with the animated green LED I can't remember.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 10:21:46 GMT 11
i presume you were charging your LEAF, Mark? not a PHEV?
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 11, 2017 12:22:54 GMT 11
i presume you were charging your LEAF, Mark? not a PHEV? Yes, it was the Leaf. I posted a video showing it working. Unfortunately I didn't show the plugging in, getting it to start process, which is were the delay was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 14:35:01 GMT 11
Imiev ok on Rac 43kw type 2
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Post by EVtricity on Feb 11, 2017 19:50:23 GMT 11
Imiev ok on Rac 43kw type 2 I suspect that the non-Tesla 3 phase stations like the RAC WA ones will work fine with the imiev and Outlander. Thanks for confirming for the imiev. When trying to charge on the 3 phase Tesla stations the light remains green when the 2.74k resistor is applied but as soon as the 1.3k resistor is added in parallel, it goes to red (no flashing). The station stays on red until it is reset by holding the button on the side.
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Post by iamlsd on Feb 14, 2017 16:22:11 GMT 11
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Post by chuq on Feb 23, 2017 0:20:45 GMT 11
Over on the TMC forum, I found this:
This was in response to them installing 3-phase sockets across rural WA, NT, SA etc. roadhouses. I suggested why not destination chargers (noting that plain 3-phase sockets do have some benefits, but I also mentioned the existence of the adaptor.)
I can't see these adaptors being used enough for Tesla to worry about. There are only a small number of Leaf owners who are enthusiastic enough to get the adaptors, will probably use them very rarely, and in a couple of years when the Model 3 is out, Leafs will become an even smaller percentage of the EV market!
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Post by markrmarkr on Feb 27, 2017 22:27:54 GMT 11
Chuq, if you talk to Tim again can you please mention to him that he is looking at this from a very narrow perspective.
Please explain to him that at this point in "EV history" there are not enough Teslas or Leafs or anything else using most of these HPWC destination chargers. Proprietors who install them in their car-parks, are asking themselves why they bothered going through the hassle of installing this thing, which practically nobody is using, and potentially paying customers are being denied (some times premium) parking spots, because they are reserved for Electric cars only. Sure there will be times and places where this is not true, but my own anecdotal experience is that it's very much true.
This situation isn't going to change until there are quite a few more EVs on the road. In some ways Teslas business model for installing (supplying) HPWC destination chargers is too successful, as they seem to be greatly exceeding demand for them. Until supply and demand reach a parity sweat spot, its in Tesla's interest for other EVs to fill some of the demand shortfall.
If he persists with this approach he will be shooting himself in the foot because the supply/demand mismatch will become worse, and he will have wasted Teslas valuable resources to make it worse.
Cheers,
Mark
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Post by Phoebe on Mar 7, 2017 15:54:04 GMT 11
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Post by EVtricity on Mar 7, 2017 22:51:19 GMT 11
In terms of non-Teslas using destination chargers, it's better to frequent the business of the owner of the Tesla destination stations, buy their products/services and charge your EV than to leave them idle.
As markr pointed out there are an increasing number of destination chargers particularly in metropolitan areas that are very rarely frequented by Tesla drivers (who don't need to charge to get to a metropolitan shopping centre or cafe and back home). By asking the business if you can charge and then buying their products and services, non-Tesla owners are doing the right thing and rewarding the business owner for their foresight and investment.
I, like many other non-Tesla owners share our charging stations out to anybody via Plugshare and similar sites. I paid for the stations and don't limit them to particular vehicles. I have a J1772 and Tesla station as well as 3 phase 32A to help fellow EV drivers. It disappoints me that there are Plugshare home stations marked as "for fellow Tesla owners" and that Tesla would purposely prevent their stations from being used by non-Teslas as suggested in previous posts. Considering the wear and tear of using the station is negligible and the owner pays for the electricity - if true, that would be very petty of Tesla and not aligned with Elon's vision and electrifying the world's transport sector.
While I can understand the argument of giving Tesla owners priority at Tesla Destination Stations, at the end of the day it should be the business owner's decision as to whether they allow non-Teslas to charge and get the benefit of our custom.
Petty or scrooge-like behaviour to restrict underutilised chargers is turning off potential Tesla owners such as myself and others on this forum. We're all part of the EV revolution and the revolution won't be successful if we keep fighting amongst ourselves over such non-issues!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 11:52:18 GMT 11
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Post by EVtricity on Mar 20, 2017 15:23:04 GMT 11
Here's a photo illustrating my point about Tesla drivers not needing to charge at suburban stations. This Tesla parked at Westfield Chatswood in one of the Chargepoint EV charging bays and didn't even bother to plug in. It's a charging station - if you're not charging, park somewhere else! When I arrived all 3 EV charging bays were taken, so pity the poor bugger who is relying on being able to charge to get home and find "DAN 92" parked and not even plugged in. Attachments:
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Post by EVangelist on Mar 21, 2017 19:26:28 GMT 11
That's really weird - if you don't need to plug in, why drive all the way up to the roof to park? Last time I went there (apart from the meet) I was tempted to drive to the top to plug in even though I didn't need to, but I couldn't be bothered and just parked on the level at which I entered!
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Post by markrmarkr on Mar 21, 2017 20:48:52 GMT 11
Here's a photo illustrating my point about Tesla drivers not needing to charge at suburban stations. This Tesla parked at Westfield Chatswood in one of the Chargepoint EV charging bays and didn't even bother to plug in. It's a charging station - if you're not charging, park somewhere else! When I arrived all 3 EV charging bays were taken, so pity the poor bugger who is relying on being able to charge to get home and find "DAN 92" parked and not even plugged in. I think I'd leave him a note. Or maybe out him on the Tesla forum/FB. Maybe they just forgot to plug in.
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Post by EVtricity on Mar 22, 2017 9:41:48 GMT 11
Maybe they just forgot to plug in. Maybe, but when did you ever go to a charging station when you needed to charge and forget to plug in? This particular location is full on a regular basis, hence why they have added more stations at the bottom of the same parking complex - great work Willoughby Council! So this behaviour does need to be pulled up there. Yes, in hindsight I should have left the guy a note but I was with family and didn't want to waste their time. If I see this behaviour again, which is very common overseas it seems - see www.facebook.com/groups/evholes - I will leave a note and post to the Tesla forums.
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Post by lesmando24 on Mar 31, 2017 8:46:38 GMT 11
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Post by lesmando24 on Apr 1, 2017 8:47:25 GMT 11
Ha, yes, the next column. Who knows what that legacy means. Older model S?
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Post by chuq on Apr 6, 2017 1:07:30 GMT 11
My adaptor from Gelco is finally on the way - hopefully will get a chance to test it out next week!
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Post by EVtricity on Apr 6, 2017 11:02:30 GMT 11
When trying to charge on the 3 phase Tesla stations the light remains green when the 2.74k resistor is applied but as soon as the 1.3k resistor is added in parallel, it goes to red (no flashing). The station stays on red until it is reset by holding the button on the side.
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Post by iamlsd on Apr 18, 2017 13:18:51 GMT 11
Finally got to test out my Tesla destination charger adapter with a trip to Fox creek winery in Mclaren Vale which is about an 80 km round trip from home and very hilly. Worked great and the cellar door staff were very friendly and interested in being able to charge a leaf at the Tesla charger. They've only had 4 Tesla's use it since it was installed. Since I like their wine and it is great location to top up to visit this area or to continue on to Kangaroo Island I reckon I might get more use out the charger then the Teslas (at least until the Model 3 comes out)
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Post by kris on Apr 19, 2017 20:01:20 GMT 11
Tesla adapter, few hundred bucks. The guilty pleasure of sucking down Tesla electrons, priceless
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Post by chuq on Apr 21, 2017 22:28:40 GMT 11
My adaptor arrived on the Monday before Easter! Unfortunately I had no free time that week and headed up to Launceston (sadly, necessitates use of the ICE) for the next six days! On Wednesday this week I visited MONA, my closest destination charger, with my Gelco adaptor. Success! One thing I didn't consider - MONA have two destination chargers, slightly different models. It worked with the first one I tried, but I didn't even think to test it with the other one! Fortunately MONA is only 10 km away so easy for me to pop in and check at some other time!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:03:36 GMT 11
Can you test your adaptor with a Phev or Imiev? If it works I may order one.
Had one on order but Was Taking so long for it to arrive that I chopped my 16 amp chilye cable
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Post by chuq on Apr 22, 2017 21:37:41 GMT 11
Update: Other DC also works!
I will drop for adaptor over to an Outlander owner this weekend and will get him to test with his car over the next week.
Are i3's in Australia J1772?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 11:22:03 GMT 11
Yes. I3 in Aus is j1772 for now. Hmm just had a thought. Would be interesting to test Audi, Merc, Porsche and Volvo phevs My chopped cabled worked with my i3 Rex and ant's leaf at mondo nougat Mondo Nougat / Morish Nuts api.plugshare.com/view/location/93117
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Post by EVtricity on Apr 23, 2017 23:16:04 GMT 11
Congrats.
There is no technical issue with Nissan Leafs being able to use a Tesla single phase or three phase destination charging station in Australia with these adaptors. Many Oz Leaf owners have bought type 2 to type 1 style adaptors (shortened 11mm on Mennekes end) and have them work on all stations. Unfortunately, these same adaptor cables don't work for Mitsubishi Imiev or Outlander as far as I am aware. The Leaf seems to effect a delay and different resistance to Mitsubishi when communicating to charging stations which means the Leaf charges where some other vehicles don't.
So good news for Leaf Owners... but,
It does seem a waste to plug one Leaf @ 2.4-3.6kW into a 22kW station, even if there's not a Tesla waiting to use it. If only you could get an adaptor and splitter that would allow you to plug in six Leafs simultaneously. Then we could do group drives a lot more easily.
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Post by reecho on Apr 29, 2017 22:13:23 GMT 11
Had a play with a new 3 phase HPWC. In standard trim it will not charge my Outlander. But a setting change internally and it works fine...
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Post by markrmarkr on May 9, 2017 15:30:32 GMT 11
Had a play with a new 3 phase HPWC. In standard trim it will not charge my Outlander. But a setting change internally and it works fine... Sorry Reecho, I don't understand. Is there a setting you can change in the Outlander which lets it charge from a Tesla HPWC, using a "type 2 to type 1 adaptor"?
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Post by reecho on May 11, 2017 16:02:32 GMT 11
Had a play with a new 3 phase HPWC. In standard trim it will not charge my Outlander. But a setting change internally and it works fine... Sorry Reecho, I don't understand. Is there a setting you can change in the Outlander which lets it charge from a Tesla HPWC, using a "type 2 to type 1 adaptor"? No...there is a legacy mode setting in the HPWC... drive.google.com/open?id=0B8VGtNcX4H2eWE85V1RkTl9nUGM
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