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Post by stewartm on Aug 30, 2016 16:32:36 GMT 11
I'm tempted to splash out too. As a rough figure, $1k for a J1772 ChargePoint on my garage wall is easy to justify that bit more for convenience, and use of fellow EV owners. The wiring in isn't rocket science. Keep us posted will you, or an update pls?. I use a Siemens Versicharge at home, hard wired via a 20 amp breaker. You can set the unit to kW limits and mine is set to 3.6. It means I can change it to say 7.2 kW and upgrade the line to 32 amp if we ever get the new generation leaf with the faster charger. It also has a time delay option to utilise time of day power rates if you have that. It does auto restart on power failure and has been no issue. It's $419US $55 postage, about $620 australian delivered.  www.amazon.com/Siemens-VC30GRYHW-Versicharge-hardwired-installation/dp/B00MFVI8UG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1472534370&sr=8-2&keywords=Versicharge |
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Post by stewartm on Sept 16, 2016 17:33:20 GMT 11
Some photos, I am trying to reduce a video of 27 secs to show how quickly the system starts up and is ready, about 25 seconds. The cooling fans are audible under load but not obtrusive. Process is connect three phase, mine has 32amp 5 pin, seems to be standard at Showgrounds. Ensure emergency stop is off. Push three phase breaker on, it has RCD in it as well, test if you want. All lights will come on for a second then the screen loads. Once you have a static image, touch anywhere on the screen, then select charging type by KW time or auto Plug in Chademo, it will authorise then charge. Yes thier spelling isn't great. Unit is about 15 kg with leads.    |
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Post by stewartm on Sept 16, 2016 17:34:23 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Sept 16, 2016 17:35:41 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Sept 16, 2016 17:39:11 GMT 11
They come without three phase plug, I used the 5 pin 32, seems to be more common. You can get 4 pin adapter leads made up. Be careful though as the protective earth needs to be separate to neutral for the RCD to function.  I will try to get the video uploaded... |
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Post by stewartm on Sept 16, 2016 18:07:58 GMT 11
As per previous page, they can be purchased from www.milbay.com.au/evfastcharge who are on the Gold Coast. They indicate pricing from $8400 and local support. I am not associated with the company. Message me for more detail. IMG_2910.3gp (349.96 KB) Apologies for the awful quality, will try for a YouTube upload later. |
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Post by reecho on Sept 17, 2016 19:45:44 GMT 11
Any chance of some internal pics??
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Post by stewartm on Sept 18, 2016 10:21:50 GMT 11
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 11:05:05 GMT 11
Bob Marley in the background music
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Post by stewartm on Sept 18, 2016 12:56:57 GMT 11
My mates hanger at the airport here, and yes you are right 😉
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Post by stewartm on Oct 2, 2016 14:07:12 GMT 11
Charging at Maleny Showgrounds. Spoken with manufacturer, need to fix a couple of things. Screen isn't great in sunshine, this makes the small icons hard to read and harder to push properly, especially with big fingers. Needs to go to a very large automatic charging icon that's easy to push. Haven't used the charge by time or charge by kW. Think these could be made smaller. Also needs a less sensitive breaker, maybe it's the long runs in Showgrounds inducing earth leakage, not sure. But it's annoying having to restart the whole box after its tripped. Apart from that it does what I wanted, it's portable, it charges at three times the rate of the on board charger, time will tell how long it's lasts. It fits well with the Showgrounds and three phase power, as 32amp 5 pin outlets are almost universal.   Ps, if you get the chance, crystal waters Eco village past Maleny near Connondale, first Saturday each month, superb markets.  |
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Post by kris on Oct 2, 2016 18:52:56 GMT 11
Nice one Stew, 90 mins is a lot better than four & a half hours. What did it end up costing all up?
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Post by caskings on Oct 2, 2016 23:50:30 GMT 11
I could have used one of those on Saturday night. I'll post the full horror story in new thread though  |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Dec 28, 2016 3:21:00 GMT 11
Hi I happened to stumble into this topic . Every now and then I google portable Chademo charger to to see if something new has come up. Ever since the charger from Emotorwerks seemed to be a bust, I kinda gave up on seeing a reasonable DC charger any time soon. Before finding that thread I found another one in a different forum where they mentioned a portable Chademo from EVSE adapters, a company in the USA. Their charger looks like this:  www.evseadapters.com/collections/ev-chargers-and-evses/products/portable-chademo-quick-chargerThis looks very similar to the one mentioned. I believe it's the same product, only rebranded and sold by an american company. The problem is I think their product comes prepared for american plugs and sockets. Since I'm from Portugal I needed something like the red 5-pin plug. Reading this topic I have seen many prices mentioned, from $2000 to $8500. What exactly was the cost of this and what kind of connectors did it come with? |
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Post by stewartm on Dec 28, 2016 10:25:46 GMT 11
This is the same unit 10kw , made by SETEC, www.setec-power.com/ They can be configured for 220-240v single phase or 380-415v three phase, done at factory upon ordering. Being in Portugal, I would suggest the three phase configuration as the predominant Mennekes outlets are 380v three phase and could be used. EU is mainly Mennekes and Chademo/CCS, rarely find a J1772. I have two EV's in France, a Leaf & Zoe. The photo shown as described needs 220v J1772 @ 40 amp single phase which is pretty much the USA EV outlet of choice. And yes depending on what country, who you talk with, the daily exchange rate, the mark up, the need to sell products and perhaps even the weather, the price will vary from $2000USD to $7500USD. Here is a video example of the SETEC Chademo connected by an adapter cable to a Mennekes three phase charge point; www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIAkK3VGKpA |
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Post by stewartm on Dec 28, 2016 13:37:52 GMT 11
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Post by rnlcarlov on Dec 28, 2016 22:07:40 GMT 11
So we have to choose between three-phase and one phase? So if I choose three-phase, even with a Mennekes-32Amp 5pin adapter (like in the video), it won't charge on a Mennekes charpoint if it's single-phase 32 Amps outlet?
If that's the case it's a bit of a letdown. Unfortunately, most sockets here are still one phase, either 16 or 32 Amps. Some 22kW charpoints are starting to show up, but they're still the large minority. Some points are going to be upgraded (supposedly), but I'm not sure when that's going to happen.
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Post by stewartm on Dec 29, 2016 9:05:38 GMT 11
Ok, not sure about Portugal, France most Mennekes outlets are 3 phase 22kw which suit fine. Bear in mind that single phase 16 amp will only give you 3.6kw , not enough to run the Chademo unit on single phase as it needs 45 amps single phase.
You would be better off with your leaf getting a Mennekes to J1772 single phase lead.
Is your LEAF a newer one with a 6kw charger or older 3kw on board charger?
Just looked on Chargemap and I see you have very limited fast/high capacity chargers even in the cities.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 29, 2016 18:19:26 GMT 11
Ok, it's appealing to me.
You say this is connected into a mennekes socket. I gather there is no requirement for current control, it is all regulated by the box itself. Is this s correct assumption?.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Dec 29, 2016 22:28:38 GMT 11
Ok, not sure about Portugal, France most Mennekes outlets are 3 phase 22kw which suit fine. Bear in mind that single phase 16 amp will only give you 3.6kw , not enough to run the Chademo unit on single phase as it needs 45 amps single phase. You would be better off with your leaf getting a Mennekes to J1772 single phase lead. Is your LEAF a newer one with a 6kw charger or older 3kw on board charger? Just looked on Chargemap and I see you have very limited fast/high capacity chargers even in the cities. France is the land of the Zoe, so no surprise 3 phase outlets are around. Due to political reasons, our electric mobility program was on hold for 5 years, so most of our charge points are still 3.6kW. Fortunately the new government is in favour of electric vehicles so some new charging points are showing up. Many are still 7.2kW, though. Chargemaps is not very up-to-date. Here in Portugal the community mostly uses Electromaps. My car is not a Leaf, it's a C-zero, but I share the same limitations as Leaf owners with 3kW onboard chargers. I do have a Mennekes-J1772 cable for the 16Amp charging, but I'd like to take advantage of the newer charging stations, as well as the ocasional 3 phase outlets we find in the underground parking of some shopping centres. In any case, thinking harder about it it's not too bad to configure it to single phase. From what I've seen, it can pull around 30Amps single phase from the grid, right? That's 6800W, so it's already an improvement over 3kW, and not that big of a difference from the 3 phase configuration (7200W). Of course I have to take into account the efficiency. Have you ever teste how much power it was consuming from the grid vs. the power injected in your car? |
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Post by markrmarkr on Dec 30, 2016 10:57:17 GMT 11
I noticed that Jack Rickard is selling the Setec 20KW Cademo Charger, re-badged, for $7495 USD. Here is a link. This is a split phase US style version, drawing 80Amps, so may be of use with a high power version of J1772. But standard J1772 is 32 or 16 Amps. I think you are better of with 3-phase. The price gives you a ball-park what it should be possible to get from Setec direct. |
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Post by stewartm on Dec 30, 2016 13:37:41 GMT 11
4Ward, you would need a minimum 15 amp per three phase to make the 10kw for the unit, actually delivers 9kw to a Leaf due to the voltage.
Hence the three phase negotiation would need to meet a minimum 11kw to actuate.
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Post by 4wardthinking on Dec 30, 2016 18:39:32 GMT 11
That's ok, our home is 3phase.
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Post by rnlcarlov on Dec 30, 2016 23:05:16 GMT 11
With the triplets, since the battery voltage is 360, the maximum would be 7200W. Of course, that voltage is only when the battery is getting near full. In the german video posted here, we can see that at 66% SOC the car is being charged at around 350 Volts 20 Amps, so 7000W.
On the Leaf it does make quite a bit of difference between the 3 phase and single phase, but it looks like it's not so bad with C-zero/Imiev/Ion.
Still, that 20kW charger is much sweeter. But the price (and size) are a little too much on the high side.
Give it a couple of years, hopefully.
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Post by markrmarkr on Dec 31, 2016 11:20:19 GMT 11
Still, that 20kW charger is much sweeter. But the price (and size) are a little too much on the high side. Give it a couple of years, hopefully. That's Jack Rickards price - with double handling, and shipping, customising with the EVTV logo etc. A more realistic price is here. I have to agree, I'm tempted too. |
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jan 2, 2017 7:00:42 GMT 11
I have no experience with Alibaba, so how does it work with that $3000 variation? Ordering quantities? So in a worst case scenario $5000?
It's better, but of course near the $2000 would be a steal.
Somebody, get me the scientist from "Honey I Shrunk the Kids", though.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jan 2, 2017 11:49:52 GMT 11
HNY,
I'm actually in negotiation right now so I'll let you know how the price pans out. I think there is a bit of - a lot of people involved, who don't talk to each other. Things change from email to email. Also, as you say it depends on how many units are bought.
As for the size - dimensions look ok to fit it into the boot of the Leaf, and you can see this from Jack's video. The weight appears to be variously 20/40/45kg. So there is a bit of confusion there too. But I think that even 45kg could work, especially if it has a long cable on the Chademo. This is quoted as 5m at times.
All this stuff has to be tied down, before I'd seriously consider buying anything.
Cheers,
Mark
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Post by stewartm on Jan 2, 2017 15:01:14 GMT 11
The 20kw is pretty large and heavy. I can show you pics of the 10kw in my Leaf boot if that helps. My wife thinks it takes up too much room, and yes Jeff it's still in there.
Mark if you would like to borrow it and try it you are most welcome. And yes I went through three people at Setec before I got the price and info I wanted and a firm quote.
I have some firm quotes on the new electway units if you can message me yr email, I will forward them.
My requests have been for a single sample unit FOB china. TNT are the best in price for carriage.
Stew
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Post by rnlcarlov on Jan 2, 2017 21:59:51 GMT 11
I took a look at Electway's site and their portable Chademo chargers. They have a wider selection of compact chargers: 10, 12 and 15kW. They don't look to be the same as the SETEC chargers. Do you have any feedback/reviews on these?
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Post by stewartm on Jan 2, 2017 22:55:19 GMT 11
No feedback or reviews. Have seen videos of them working, but no real world trials. Prices look ok.
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