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Post by rusdy on Jul 31, 2018 12:05:59 GMT 11
Any particular cell is weak at your end? Mine is cell#96 first, and then few others. I think I've read it somewhere that this is the most exposed cell to the charger heat, but can't confirm. I'm trying to Google battery cell map of some sort to no avail.
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Post by jeffthewalker on Aug 1, 2018 7:18:00 GMT 11
Any particular cell is weak at your end? Mine is cell#96 first, and then few others. I think I've read it somewhere that this is the most exposed cell to the charger heat, but can't confirm. I'm trying to Google battery cell map of some sort to no avail. LEAFSpy tells me there is (after the last charge) 17mV spread. The worst I have seen is 30mV. Usually around 24mV. I have not noticed any in particular.
Currently 23 and 34 are the outliers but only by 3mV so I think I have good balance.
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Post by kris on Aug 3, 2018 18:39:26 GMT 11
Feng! You got a new battery dude!! How good is that? Mine has been sitting on 9 bars for a year now & my 5 year warranty runs out next month. What insult to I have to whisper to it for it to drop that last bar?
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Post by Feng on Aug 4, 2018 17:12:26 GMT 11
I get a little embarrassed talking about it because I know I'm one of the fortunate few. It's been pretty good. The extra ~30km makes the difference between being frugal if I want to go out at the end of the day and not needing to worry about it. I'm keeping an eye on degradation but since it's winter it's hard to tell how well it's aging.
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Post by kris on Aug 6, 2018 12:46:36 GMT 11
Excellent result. Never be sheepish about good fortune squire, it's the stuff of life! I'm on 43.7Ahr according to LeafSpy, 8 bars seems to occur at anywhere between 42-43 Ahr. If I close my eyes I can imagine the VW style software in my vehicle; if actual_bars==8: report_bars=9
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Post by Feng on Aug 6, 2018 14:22:57 GMT 11
Good luck losing that last bar! Keep your car as warm as practically possible but don't fast charge it - I believe that actually temporarily improves the SoH. Find an excuse to go for long drives and long charges repeatedly while parking in the sun, etc. Let us know how you go!
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Post by ant on Aug 22, 2018 19:24:01 GMT 11
Good luck losing that last bar! Keep your car as warm as practically possible but don't fast charge it - I believe that actually temporarily improves the SoH. Find an excuse to go for long drives and long charges repeatedly while parking in the sun, etc. Let us know how you go! Hi Feng At the risk of being told I should read the thread more, how did you manage to get your battery replaced even though the battery warranty was 5 years and should have expired in around June 2017 ( as Nissan have told me ) ?
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Post by Feng on Aug 22, 2018 22:37:54 GMT 11
I bought my car in June 2013. The warranty starts from the sale date, not the build date.
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Post by stewartm on Aug 23, 2018 20:30:46 GMT 11
Got caught with mine as the dealer registered it for three months before I bought it. It's from the first registration not the first owner sadly..
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Post by mike on Sept 18, 2018 12:09:27 GMT 11
Dropped my Leaf in with the dealer today for it's battery replacement. They will be installing part# 295B0-3NA6A "Battery Pack-Lithium Ion". I checked the intragoogle with no success. Anyone know how to find out the specifications of this battery? I'm away on a international trip, so I said they could have the car until Oct 3rd. After it's back, I'll be able to check it with LeafSpy. Any help to find out some information on this pack in advance would be most appreciated.
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Post by kris on Sept 25, 2018 10:23:56 GMT 11
My Leaf on 8 bars this morning after it's overnight charge & still 5 days to run on the 5 year warranty. Had to count 'em twice to be sure I wasn't dreaming! Any tips on dealing with Nissan to get the best result appreciated.
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Post by Feng on Sept 25, 2018 11:27:45 GMT 11
You made it? Congrats! Go to your dealer ASAP and get the ball rolling, be sure they get something entered on the system so they can't talk their way out of warranty obligations. Do you have the warranty extension letter sent from Nissan a few years ago? I'd recommend speaking to Tom at Rockdale Nissan if you get nowhere with your usual dealer, but don't know if that's too far out of your way.
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Post by kris on Sept 25, 2018 12:01:28 GMT 11
Tnx Feng, still got the letter. I'm inclined to give Rockdale a try, my nearest dealership is Penrith & they can be less than helpful at times. Do you know if it's the dealership or Nissan HQ where the decision is made to supply a new pack or much around cell swapping to get the 9th bar back?
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Post by Feng on Sept 25, 2018 12:19:15 GMT 11
As far as I know they carried out tests instructed by Nissan HQ, reported the results and the decision was made by Nissan HQ. Given Leslie's experience and how much trouble they had with cell swapping, they probably err on the side of caution and just swap the pack. Keep us posted!
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Post by kris on Sept 25, 2018 22:05:26 GMT 11
Yep I'll contact the behemoth & report back
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Post by mike on Sept 26, 2018 14:13:27 GMT 11
The dealer performs a regular battery check and prints out the health report. They send the report and a copy of the warranty letter to Nissan HQ. It takes about a week for a decision. Then a new pack is ordered from Japan. It took nearly 6 months to receive it and about 3 days to replace. I’ll pass on any other insights once I get my car back on Oct 4th
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Post by EVangelist on Sept 26, 2018 20:41:05 GMT 11
We’re on 10 bars and a month shy of 4 years ownership. I very much doubt we’ll be getting a new battery at that rate. We do notice now the reduced range - on 100% we’d probably get not much more than 100-110 km. This doesn’t impact our city driving, but there will come a time when certain trips we do now will no longer be feasible.
My main concern is I’d like to be able to buy a new battery or get cells replaced if/when the range reduction becomes too limiting. The concept of effectively throwing away an otherwise perfectly good car is not something I ever want to contemplate.
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Post by brunohill on Sept 26, 2018 21:31:22 GMT 11
We’re on 10 bars and a month shy of 4 years ownership. I very much doubt we’ll be getting a new battery at that rate. We do notice now the reduced range - on 100% we’d probably get not much more than 100-110 km. This doesn’t impact our city driving, but there will come a time when certain trips we do now will no longer be feasible. My main concern is I’d like to be able to buy a new battery or get cells replaced if/when the range reduction becomes too limiting. The concept of effectively throwing away an otherwise perfectly good car is not something I ever want to contemplate. Hopefully this place stays in business www.hybridbatteryrebuild.com.au/ or others like it start. I might be too old and live in the wrong location to start one myself.
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Post by stewartm on Sept 27, 2018 11:42:02 GMT 11
Email rejects post a redirect, not sure if its valid. Asked for a cost for full repack on my Leaf
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Post by mike on Oct 6, 2018 11:07:28 GMT 11
Northside Nissan had my Leaf ready to go upon my return to Australia. The new battery pack was installed and fully charged. Just handed me the keys and a short zero balance invoice stating that the battery had been replaced with the a new one (part number 295B0-3NA6A). The GOM was very confused initially, but quickly jumped back up to >140km projected range by the time I reached the freeway. Regen braking was greatly improved...previously, max regen was about 15kw. Now it's back to 30kw. After an overnight charge, GOM is showing 157km in Drive. Leaf Spy Lite says the new battery has 62.77 amp-hrs capacity and battery SOH is 95%. Based solely on this information, I might guess that the battery is from the new remanufacturing facility in Japan. If so, that's really close to equivalent to a brand new battery and would be a good value (about 1/2 the price of a new battery) for anyone replacing the battery outside of warranty according to the article below. cleantechnica.com/2018/05/15/nissan-begins-offering-remanufactured-batteries-for-leaf/ Considering this was a warranty replacement and at no cost, I very pleased with the outcome. It will be interesting to how the battery performs over time. On a side note, I do have a reservation in for a Model 3 and will likely sell our Leaf sometime in 2019...so any interested punters, keep an eye out for this car. It will be a good value as the battery is "new"...though the interior is a bit rough after 4+ years of taking our 3 kids to school and back. Side,Side Note...the forum won't allow me to attach an 87kB pic of the GOM because the forum has exceeded it's attachment limit...might be time for a moderator to delete some old / bloated attachments.
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Post by empowerrepower on Oct 6, 2018 14:47:59 GMT 11
Congrats. I'd love to know what your real-world range is with the new battery, once you've found out. I'm down 3 bars, and down to 80-85 km, so hope to get a battery replacement too in the next year-and-a-half.
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Post by empowerrepower on Oct 6, 2018 15:30:49 GMT 11
Northside Nissan had my Leaf ready to go upon my return to Australia. The new battery pack was installed and fully charged. Just handed me the keys and a short zero balance invoice stating that the battery had been replaced with the a new one (part number 295B0-3NA6A). The GOM was very confused initially, but quickly jumped back up to >140km projected range by the time I reached the freeway. Regen braking was greatly improved...previously, max regen was about 15kw. Now it's back to 30kw. After an overnight charge, GOM is showing 157km in Drive. Leaf Spy Lite says the new battery has 62.77 amp-hrs capacity and battery SOH is 95%. Based solely on this information, I might guess that the battery is from the new remanufacturing facility in Japan. If so, that's really close to equivalent to a brand new battery and would be a good value (about 1/2 the price of a new battery) for anyone replacing the battery outside of warranty according to the article below. cleantechnica.com/2018/05/15/nissan-begins-offering-remanufactured-batteries-for-leaf/ Considering this was a warranty replacement and at no cost, I very pleased with the outcome. It will be interesting to how the battery performs over time. OK, just read the article, which had the following comment below: Share › Avatar John Moore sjc_1 • 5 months ago It sounds like you are simply getting the battery modules that are aging, but haven't gone bad YET. Why would anyone do that? If they are reconditioned batteries from this new factory in Japan, that means that the cells used are really quite old, but still performing with less than 20% loss, according to the article. Surely that means that the battery cells are likely to fail/lose capacity sooner than if new? They've been out in use for up to seven years already. I'm rather disappointed. Does the replacement battery come with any sort of warranty?
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Post by mike on Oct 7, 2018 0:21:31 GMT 11
I assume the original 5yr/100km warranty is still valid...for me that will expire on Apr 2019. There is no explicit warranty with the newly installed battery. I presume Nissan would be more clever than to market a re-manufactured battery that only has a short remaining life.
I'm happy to see that the "good" modules are reused rather than disposed of or recycled. Even if the re-manufactured battery life is less than a new battery (6 years in my case), it would have to be less than 50% of the new life considering the cost is about 1/2 of new. Even changing out the remanufactured batteries every 3 years is not such a big hassle. And I assume that the battery tech will get better over time.
Similar to ICE vehicles with rebuilt engines, a lower cost remanufactured battery is better aligned with the depreciating value of car. It will make it more economic to keep the car on the road for longer before finally getting scrapped.
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Post by Feng on Oct 7, 2018 2:08:49 GMT 11
I think my replacement battery is the same as yours, the pack design looks like the original and for a while I thought I missed out on the lizard pack. After eight months and ~20,000kms I haven't lost any capacity. It's still reading just over 93% which if I remember right is about the same as when I first got it. I'm curious to see how long it'll stay above 90% with summer around the corner. At this rate I'll easily keep the car for another five years or even more.
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Post by rusdy on Oct 8, 2018 11:14:37 GMT 11
I think my replacement battery is the same as yours, the pack design looks like the original and for a while I thought I missed out on the lizard pack. After eight months and ~20,000kms I haven't lost any capacity. It's still reading just over 93% which if I remember right is about the same as when I first got it. I'm curious to see how long it'll stay above 90% with summer around the corner. At this rate I'll easily keep the car for another five years or even more. This brings confidence to those who are interested in import 2nd hand leaf with Lizard battery. My current first gen leaf will be impractical in 2 years or less (by then, it will only have 70km usable range in good weather, or 10-ish kWh usable). I need 100km usable range in worst case weather (i.e. 0.18kWh/km), or 18kWh usable. Instead of replacement battery pack, my guess it will be cheaper to get Leaf imports (with Lizard). I'm not interested in spending more than AUD25k for a car. I already broke my 15k limit when I purchased the 2nd hand leaf 3.5 years ago . Me love batteries too much.
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Post by davidg on Oct 22, 2018 14:35:19 GMT 11
I can't find an emoji with bigger jaw drop. Indeed. That is beyond ridiculous. There are companies which re-pack legacy battery packs with new cells - but for commercial and household equipment and appliances. I wonder if any of them would take on a re-pack of a LEAF battery? I suppose the removal and reinstallation of the pack is not a trivial thing to do. But if they were game to take it on and you could get the pack to them, surely they would charge less than $30k! I just called a Nissan dealer in Adelaide who indicated the replacement battery packs had recently become available, but indicated $35K replacement cost - though the rep I spoke to thought they might get cheaper eventually - I can't imagine them selling many, and it really does mess with the resale value of older Leafs!
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Post by empowerrepower on Oct 22, 2018 17:56:31 GMT 11
That makes me cranky, and isn't the first time I've heard of sky high figures like $35K. I think they just don't want to replace batteries outside of warranty, so have priced it accordingly. Battery prices in general have fallen in the last 6 years since these cars were made, so it is ridiculous.
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Post by lesmando24 on Oct 23, 2018 22:56:06 GMT 11
Is not a pack they are quoting. They take a single module price and multiply it out. So 48 x $730. Nissan Australia should get real about it
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Post by kris on Oct 25, 2018 12:44:58 GMT 11
Disadvantage of being an old dude number 1437: When, 2 hours into it's 4 hour battery inspection, the dealership rings to say they need the car for another 5 hours and you doubt your legs will let you extend a 4 hour push-bike ride to a 7 hour.
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Post by empowerrepower on Nov 3, 2018 14:58:01 GMT 11
Happy day! Hopped into the Leaf today, and found that I've just lost my fourth bar. Have driven 73 000 km, and have had the car since March 2015, so still in warranty. Lost the third bar last November.
It is going to be challenging getting the car to Bris for an inspection, as my range is down to about 80km. I'm hanging out for some fast chargers on the north side of Brisbane, as getting to Hamilton is close, and involves backroad driving to extend the range.
Any idea how long a battery inspection is likely to take, as in one day or several days? And the current waiting time for replacement batteries?
I'm so looking forward to slightly improved range. Yesterday I was running several errands, and didn't have time to recharge between them, so had to use the petrol car two times out of three.
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