jin
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Post by jin on Jul 28, 2019 11:36:08 GMT 11
I'm with Brunohill. The guy drove 450kms on the maiden voyage with this pack in the youtube video.
I only wish Nissan would stepup and have an official offering as an upgrade path for older leafs, rather than a swap out for the same battery capacity/chemistry as almost 10 years ago.
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Post by coulomb on Jul 28, 2019 14:24:19 GMT 11
For those of you that have had your battery replaced under warranty over the last months/years, what have your SOH% readings been ? Mine was replaced under warranty by the previous owner, invoice dated 22/5/2019. It took me a week or two to get the Bluetooth dongle organised (duh, my bad). The first time I had a SOH reading it was something over 94%. Today it's 93.17%. Hx now 82.91%, recorded 83.18% 22/7 (when SOH was 93.30%). Those figures seem a bit low to me, when I believe that Feng reported only 6% degradation (I assume this means 94% SOH) after some 6 months. So: roughly comparable results. That's a little reassuring. I'm only doing 80% charges at present. Just now with 79.9% SOC I have 16.7 kWh (screen 3, with the seated manikin at the bottom right), 215 GIDs (216 on 22/7). I don't know if you can just multiply by 100/80, if so that comes to 20.9 kWh and 269 GIDs. Again, fairly similar figures. Of course, lithium batteries all deteriorate quickest when new, so maybe this is all good. Yes, that would be great; thanks for your input, Les. Same here, at least according to the invoice. Intriguing. But 7 isn't necessarily better than 6, odd as that may sound. I can't recall where I got that impression, sorry.
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rangersac
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Post by rangersac on Jul 28, 2019 22:49:55 GMT 11
Damn, I’ll have me one of those too
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Post by joshm74 on Jul 29, 2019 9:19:46 GMT 11
Thanks for your response coulomb. Interesting to note that since my earlier post the SOH is back at around 95% and holding. I do 80% charges most of the time just the odd 100% when I need the extra range. Super happy with the Leaf - I've only had it for 2 months (and driven about 4000km in that time) and I've been so impressed with electric driving in general that I've ordered the Model 3 Tesla. The downside is that means I will need to sell the Leaf when (if!!) the Tesla arrives. So for anyone interested in an "imported by Nissan Australia" Leaf with a virtually new battery watch this space... I think the combination of increased Leaf numbers in Oz due to direct imports, as well as the aftermarket advances happening around batteries all combine to paint a very bright future for our Nissan Leafs. I have a funny feeling I'm going to regret selling mine!
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Post by rusdy on Jul 29, 2019 11:20:45 GMT 11
...I've been so impressed with electric driving in general that I've ordered the Model 3 Tesla. ... More people like you are urgently needed in Oz. I bought my Leaf (2nd hand in 2015) for similar circumstance. The previous owner loved it so much, and decided to upgrade to a Tesla instead, and sold the Leaf super duper cheap. I got mine for 25k back then, me so lucky. ...So for anyone interested in an "imported by Nissan Australia" Leaf with a virtually new battery watch this space... Me watching...
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Post by coulomb on Jul 30, 2019 12:49:57 GMT 11
Interesting to note that since my earlier post the SOH is back at around 95% and holding. Huh, mine is creeping up as well; it's been as low as 93.15%, now it's up to 93.52%. Hopefully it will level out at 95% like yours. Thanks for the confidence boost! Being a noob, I've not been discharging the battery much, and that possibly means that the BMS doesn't get to learn the true capacity, and assumes the worst. I'll cautiously let it drop lower before recharging, to see if that helps.
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jin
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Post by jin on Aug 2, 2019 18:53:54 GMT 11
Official 40kwh pack replacement, not in Australia...
https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/ckrp7s/1st_successful_paid_customer_battery_change_from/
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Post by Feng on Aug 2, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 11
So weird to see such big numbers on the GOM. Looks like it was done by this mob: www.simonandre.ca/Good to see options become available, but it requires a 40kWh donor pack from a written off Leaf.
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Post by brunohill on Aug 3, 2019 0:05:08 GMT 11
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Post by jeffthewalker on Aug 6, 2019 14:31:14 GMT 11
Yabba Dabba Dooo!!!
I just (this minute) lost my 4th bar. SOH 63.69%. ODO 58,383. Purchased September 2015. I'll be heading down to Brisbane (Moorooka Nissan) in a week or so to start the warranty replacement process.
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Post by coulomb on Aug 6, 2019 15:03:06 GMT 11
I just (this minute) lost my 4th bar.
Congratulations on your loss
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Post by jin on Aug 11, 2019 18:59:12 GMT 11
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Post by coulomb on Aug 15, 2019 20:23:52 GMT 11
I'll be heading down to Brisbane (Moorooka Nissan) in a week or so to start the warranty replacement process.
Jeff, I can see a trail of your Plugshare checkins; you must be working your way to Moorooka. What a trek; and you get to go home again with that depleted battery, and do it all again if and when the battery arrives. At least the trip home with the new battery should be easier. If you read this in time, can you perhaps prod them again about how to access the EVSE there? I've had no luck getting it to work. The latest information I have is that it's "on the Jet network"; it took me a while to realise that Jet isn't a network (as far as I know), they just install EVSEs. But they seem to have links to Chargefox, but Chargefox don't seem to have that charger in their database. Neither Jet nor Chargefox have responded to my on-line enquiries. If you have a Chargefox proximity card, perhaps you could see if it seems to respond to it.
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Post by jeffthewalker on Aug 17, 2019 10:57:58 GMT 11
I'll be heading down to Brisbane (Moorooka Nissan) in a week or so to start the warranty replacement process.
Jeff, I can see a trail of your Plugshare checkins; you must be working your way to Moorooka. What a trek; and you get to go home again with that depleted battery, and do it all again if and when the battery arrives. At least the trip home with the new battery should be easier. If you read this in time, can you perhaps prod them again about how to access the EVSE there? I've had no luck getting it to work. The latest information I have is that it's "on the Jet network"; it took me a while to realise that Jet isn't a network (as far as I know), they just install EVSEs. But they seem to have links to Chargefox, but Chargefox don't seem to have that charger in their database. Neither Jet nor Chargefox have responded to my on-line enquiries. If you have a Chargefox proximity card, perhaps you could see if it seems to respond to it. Aaaahhhh!! I just typed a long (interesting:-) reply and the internet link was too weak to post. Lost the lot!
So, I got to Moorooka ok and left the LEAF for a day and a bit and then set off for Sydney (while I am so close:-). Then back to Sapphire via Brisbane for a round trip of 4,000(ish)kms. And, as you say, do the 1,000kms from Sapphire to Brisbane again when the new battery is ready for replacement (and the original further depleted). I did consider leaving the LEAF in Brisbane with my brother for a month or two to save two 1,000km trips, but Mark (service Nissan) says it will be 4 - 6 months after approval (practically guaranteed).
I have not used (or seen) the charger at Nissan service but have only attempted to use the original one at the sales site (never successful and eventually removed). I will talk to Ed (sales manager) and Mark (service) about the service dept charger next time I chat (if I remember:-).
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Post by coulomb on Aug 17, 2019 14:23:17 GMT 11
then set off for Sydney (while I am so close:-). That's so brave, in an 8-bar 2012 Leaf. Onya! ? It's on the corner, just before you enter the main service area. Next to the sign that says "ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING" ;-)
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Post by coulomb on Aug 17, 2019 14:32:49 GMT 11
Aaaahhhh!! I just typed a long (interesting:-) reply and the internet link was too weak to post. Lost the lot! Sorry to hear that. Please do re-type it next time you find yourself with time on your hands, and a stronger internet signal. You do seem to live up to your handle's name!
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Post by jacky on Aug 28, 2019 19:09:01 GMT 11
I dropped my LEAF to the dealership for a week to replace the high voltage battery. I just took it back today. LeafSpy reported 93.74 SOH. I wonder why it is not close to 100%. The pack is a refabricated? I don't know how to check if the pack is using the same chemistry of the original pack. Anyway, my wife can use the LEAF for the next 5-7 years because my Tesla Model 3 will be delivered on 16th September!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:18:56 GMT 11
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Post by coulomb on Aug 28, 2019 23:23:14 GMT 11
LeafSpy reported 93.74 SOH. I wonder why it is not close to 100%. The pack is a refabricated? I bought a second hand 2012 Leaf in June, when the battery bad been replaced just a month before. When I finally got my act together and read the State Of Health, it was 93.30%. I thought that was a bit low. But others reported that their near-new battery was at about 94%, and actually increased to over 95% over a few weeks. Today mine is 95.68%. My Hx (another battery health measure) has also increased, from 83.18% to 88.33%. So give it time. [ Edit: oops, as I re-read my own posts above, I see that my first SOH reading was something over 94%, but by the first properly recorded SOH it had declined to 93.30%. That early decline may have been because it was heading into the coldest part of the year. ] I don't understand what's involved. Fast charges seem to increase the state of health, at least in the sort term. Maybe it increases the battery temperature, and batteries perform better when hot (while also degrading faster). Maybe our SOHs will increase with the increasing ambient temperature, and then decline again in autumn and winter. If anyone has a clue as to why this happens, I'd be quite interested to hear it. As far as I know, warranty replacement batteries have brand new cells. Possibly new BMS and cables as well, but that's less certain. The case may be old (perhaps even someone else's recycled case). Again, if anyone knows for sure...
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Post by jacky on Aug 28, 2019 23:33:51 GMT 11
LeafSpy reported 93.74 SOH. I wonder why it is not close to 100%. The pack is a refabricated? I bought a second hand 2012 Leaf in June, when the battery bad been replaced just a month before. When I finally got my act together and read the State Of Health, it was 93.30%. I thought that was a bit low. But others reported that their near-new battery was at about 94%, and actually increased to over 95% over a few weeks. Today mine is 95.68%. My Hx (another battery health measure) has also increased, from 83.18% to 88.33%. So give it time. [ Edit: oops, as I re-read my own posts above, I see that my first SOH reading was something over 94%, but by the first properly recorded SOH it had declined to 93.30%. That early decline may have been because it was heading into the coldest part of the year. ] I don't understand what's involved. Fast charges seem to increase the state of health, at least in the sort term. Maybe it increases the battery temperature, and batteries perform better when hot (while also degrading faster). Maybe our SOHs will increase with the increasing ambient temperature, and then decline again in autumn and winter. If anyone has a clue as to why this happens, I'd be quite interested to hear it. As far as I know, warranty replacement batteries have brand new cells. Possibly new BMS and cables as well, but that's less certain. The case may be old (someone else's recycled case). Again, if anyone knows for sure... Thank you for the information. The car was idle for a few days. The battery is cold (at about 10 degree). I will keep my eyes on the SOH in the next few weeks.
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Post by stewartm on Aug 30, 2019 12:01:01 GMT 11
Does anyone have a good contact at Nissan. My leaf went over the bars a few months out of battery warranty. I had had extensive discussions with Nissan prior to this with little joy. I'm pretty much at my wits end. Currently this is my range.
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Post by johnmath on Aug 30, 2019 12:58:44 GMT 11
Currently this is my range. What was your battery charge % when you took this photo?
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Post by stewartm on Aug 30, 2019 13:53:25 GMT 11
50%, I get at best 85km at full
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Post by johnmath on Aug 30, 2019 17:13:43 GMT 11
So at .14 km per kWh at 37km reported range means about 5.2kWh in the battery, and if that is when the charge state is 50%, then your total useable capacity in only around 10.5kWh. Another way of looking at it is that if your range is 85km, then that equates to 85 x 0.14 = 11.9kWh. Your usable capacity is down to way less than 50% at only 53,000km. I'd be screaming blue murder (politely) at the Nissan dealer. And if they won't listen, I'd politely explain that under Australian consumer laws businesses that sell goods must guarantee that those goods are of acceptable quality - the goods must be safe, lasting, have no faults, look acceptable and do all the things someone would normally expect them to do. A major failure of a consumer guarantee for goods is when you would never have bought the item if you knew about the problem. Who would buy an expensive electric car if they knew it would lose most of it's battery capacity in ~50,000km? You have the right to choose which of these options to take in the event of a major failure. - get a refund
- swap them for an identical replacement (if it’s reasonable they can get one)
- swap them for a replacement of similar value
- keep the goods and be compensated for any drop in value.
www.qld.gov.au/law/your-rights/consumer-rights-complaints-and-scams/buying-products-and-services/guarantees-warranties-refunds/when-business-fails-to-meet-consumer-guarantee
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Post by stewartm on Aug 30, 2019 19:55:31 GMT 11
Thanks john, I had two bars of loss at 15000 km and complained then. I have had many letters of excuse from Nissan over the years. Car has been on the Sunshine Coast all its life, in garage most of the time, I.e. Never too cold or hot. I have a leaf of the same age and km in France with one bar of loss and 145km range. I believe I have a faulty car to be honest.
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Post by damowa on Aug 31, 2019 11:21:07 GMT 11
Hi folks,
I'm looking at buying a second-hand Nissan Leaf here in WA. It is a 2013 model with 39,000kms on the clock and only 7 bars left on the battery meter.
What do you think my chances are of getting this battery replaced under warranty? I spoke to one of the service guys at a Nissan dealership yesterday and he seems to think that they are generally replacing batteries under a "good-will" warranty when they drop under 8 bars. But, they can't confirm for sure until they run the diagnostic test.
Do you think this leaf would qualify under this "good-will" warranty for a new battery?
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Post by coulomb on Aug 31, 2019 11:37:02 GMT 11
I'm looking at buying a second-hand Nissan Leaf here in WA. It is a 2013 model with 39,000kms on the clock and only 7 bars left on the battery meter. What do you think my chances are of getting this battery replaced under warranty? A 2013 would have to be a grey import. So I'd think that Nissan would decline to replace the battery under warranty. They don't seem to want to have anything to do with imports. I find that a strange business proposition, but that seems to be the way it is.
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damowa
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Post by damowa on Aug 31, 2019 11:50:09 GMT 11
I'm looking at buying a second-hand Nissan Leaf here in WA. It is a 2013 model with 39,000kms on the clock and only 7 bars left on the battery meter. What do you think my chances are of getting this battery replaced under warranty? A 2013 would have to be a grey import. So I'd think that Nissan would decline to replace the battery under warranty. They don't seem to want to have anything to do with imports. I find that a strange business proposition, but that seems to be the way it is. How can I determine if it's a grey import or not? If it's not a grey import, would they be likely to exchange the battery? It has very low KMs for such high battery degradation, from what I've read.
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Post by coulomb on Aug 31, 2019 14:14:47 GMT 11
How can I determine if it's a grey import or not? Japanese symbols on the dash are a big clue, as on the left here: [ Edit: There are British imports as well as Japanese, so the lack of Japanese symbols is not definitive (and they can be replaced with English buttons as well). I believe that you can tell from the VIN number, but I don't know the details. ] My understanding is, it has to be less than 5 years from the original owner's purchase, 8 bars or less, and it has to pass some test that they do. Then it's up to Japan to decide, but if it passes all that and it was Australian bought, then it's quite likely that they will warranty replace the battery.
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Post by jacky on Sept 1, 2019 0:15:07 GMT 11
Hi folks, I'm looking at buying a second-hand Nissan Leaf here in WA. It is a 2013 model with 39,000kms on the clock and only 7 bars left on the battery meter. What do you think my chances are of getting this battery replaced under warranty? I spoke to one of the service guys at a Nissan dealership yesterday and he seems to think that they are generally replacing batteries under a "good-will" warranty when they drop under 8 bars. But, they can't confirm for sure until they run the diagnostic test. Do you think this leaf would qualify under this "good-will" warranty for a new battery? If the car is brought in 2013, the 5 years warranty is expired. I brought mine new in September 2014. I claimed my warranty in March this year and I had huge difficulties in getting the dealership and Nissan customer service to aware of the 5 years battery warranty. After argued with them, I finally get them to start the process and I just had the battery replaced last week. Don’t count on the “good-will”. You are just testing your luck. There were customers trying to get a “good-will” warranty claim this year and they did not get it.
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