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Post by ravolt on Nov 20, 2013 23:15:52 GMT 11
Obviously this is posted as I've only just taken delivery of the new 4 wheeled iPod! And Mannnnnn - loving it. I really didn't think it was going to be practical as AN ONLY CAR but it is promising. The FFB will be up for sale sooner. Now - the question - On 80% and 100% what is your comfortable range and how many kilometres has your stead done to date for these results. For me - only 5 days into ownership - 300km already traversed, I believe 80% will be 135km by gauge and 165km for 100%. These are estimates to last bar standing. No major escarpments to climb (sorry Brian, at the base of the hill you are on ) Thanks Matthew
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Post by Brian on Nov 21, 2013 0:17:29 GMT 11
On 100% charge, with old-lady like driving, I work on 160 kms as realistic, including the hill climb.
We have never run an 80% charge to the limits, so can't help you there.
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Post by Jim Hare on Nov 21, 2013 8:42:05 GMT 11
I live in an incredibly hilly area, and 90% of our driving is local, so we are probably a safe worst case scenario.
For us we comfortably get 100km on 80% and around 130km at 100%.
When we get out of our neighbourhood we get the 160km+ that Brian mentioned.
A good thing is to calibrate your guessometre by resetting the trip odometre before each charge, and compare it to reality. I did this for about two months and got a really good feel for how it operated.
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Post by Phoebe on Nov 21, 2013 13:55:49 GMT 11
I always charge to 100% and I have attached a spreadsheet of my last few months charges. All readings are on Eco, none on Drive. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 22:13:15 GMT 11
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Post by ravolt on Nov 23, 2013 10:36:25 GMT 11
Ta for spreadsheet Pheobe. I was wondering about similar. Do you record data manually? The time to recharge in particular is a curious one - pulling the manual out ( careful not to call them instructions lol )
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Post by Phoebe on Nov 23, 2013 11:15:54 GMT 11
I record all data manually. I always charge during the day to use my solar panels and I can see my LEAF's dashboard and blue flashing lights from my kitchen window so I know how the charge is progressing, and when it is finished. Because I charge so rarely, most of the time it is somewhere between 20-80%, so I feel quite comfortable doing 100% when I do charge. This way it will be very obvious to me if I start to loose battery capacity, because I have a constant comparison of my range (and number of bars-still 12 now) on full charge now, and previously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 12:58:00 GMT 11
hi Phoebe
do you use the 10A Trickle charger that comes with the LEAF? I noticed the 8 hour 35 min charge in your spreadsheet.
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Post by Phoebe on Nov 24, 2013 13:04:48 GMT 11
hi Phoebe do you use the 10A Trickle charger that comes with the LEAF? I noticed the 8 hour 35 min charge in your spreadsheet. Yep! I'm not short of time, so that is plenty fast enough for me
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Post by ravolt on Dec 5, 2013 13:37:19 GMT 11
Having had the LEAF for a mere 3 weeks, I find 80% charge yields (from normal driving, just a few rapid accelerations onto busy roads and one climb and return of Kalamunda Hill ) 120km. Mainly 70km zones and about 10km at 100kph in that range. So 100% should get about 150km. It's first service, 1000km booked. It will have done about 1250 by then, it's 1 month birthday.
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Post by Phoebe on Dec 5, 2013 14:02:16 GMT 11
Having had the LEAF for a mere 3 weeks, I find 80% charge yields (from normal driving, just a few rapid accelerations onto busy roads and one climb and return of Kalamunda Hill ) 120km. Mainly 70km zones and about 10km at 100kph in that range. So 100% should get about 150km. It's first service, 1000km booked. It will have done about 1250 by then, it's 1 month birthday. If you are doing some 100kph in that range you are doing pretty well. I find the range drops off dramatically over 70kph.
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Post by ravolt on Dec 5, 2013 14:16:38 GMT 11
It does require more thorough monitoring. My spreadsheet shows that most small/medium sized cars ( including the LEAF ) will increase the drag component of energy consumption by 300% when travelling at 100kph as opposed to 70kph.
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Post by Brian on Dec 8, 2013 22:22:59 GMT 11
For protracted highway driving, around 75 kph ( fall asleep speed ) offers a reasonable compromise, providing you are not holding up the traffic too much.
It takes you further, and you get to enjoy the countryside / really savor your favourite music.
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Post by ravolt on Dec 8, 2013 22:43:39 GMT 11
Curiously, when I simply drive on the flats in the Perth CBD, I consistently register 0.11kW/km. For a 24kW pack, now negate the last kW (just like the last few litres in a FFB) thus 23kW would imply 209km range on 100% or 80% yeilding 167km. Now Duncan, I think, manage 32km "below E (empty)" which would equate to 167-32=135km Mmmmm? 0.12kW/km would give 191km and 153km-32=121km which is pretty real for me. Until I head up the Kalamunda hill lol
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Post by leafboi on Dec 8, 2013 23:07:20 GMT 11
ravolt I'm pretty sure the usable capacity of the LEAF is around the 21kW. I also frequently see the 0.11kW/km. so it's more like... 21/.11 is about 190km, which I feel would be easily achievable around town. Freeway tends to take it to .13kW/km so 21/.13 = 160km but that I feel doubtful on. Especially at 90-100kph.
So at 80% charges you could expect 150kph ish around town and 120kph freeway, again I feel doubtful on that one.
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Post by ravolt on Dec 8, 2013 23:12:52 GMT 11
Thanks leafboi, it is curious and I had wondered, my FFB RAV4 has a 55litre tank with accessing the last 10% pushes one's luck. The same 10% on my previous car too. So your 21kW is holding true to that gross generalisation
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Post by kris on Dec 15, 2013 9:44:10 GMT 11
Lord of the ring: When I drove home yesterday the Leaf was showing just a few km of range left, so I decided to see what happened if I kept going around the block. The range display went to 3 dashes "---" at 132km & stayed there for another 12km (3 orbits of the ring). At this point it seemed prudent to just drive up & down in front of the house, after another 5km a little tortoise icon illuminated & the vehicle started to drive like my Dad's '39 Chrysler the day I tipped water into the fuel tank so me & the 4wheel ipad made a bee line for the charger. In summary, 165km indicated after a 100% charge, 149km achieved to tortoise mode on a 130Wh/km average driving style. Oh yes, I almost forget. Someone rammed a shopping trolley into my rear quarter panel, nice little crease, car not even 3 months old. Sigh.
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Post by Phoebe on Dec 15, 2013 10:37:57 GMT 11
Yes Kris, I think we all go through that round and round the block stunt as soon as we start to feel confident about our LEAF. Sorry to hear about the shopping trolley incident - that sort of thing is very disappointing. Hope you can either do something to fix it yourself, like I did with my scratch or find a good cheap panel beater like Feng did when his LEAF was impaled.
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Post by Jim Hare on Dec 15, 2013 11:33:59 GMT 11
149 actual sounds pretty good to me! You probably had another 4kms in tortoise mode as well. This is from a post last year on running down to tortoise: It happens in two stages. First you get the warning and the remaining KMs go away, then after a couple of more KMs you go into limited mode, where you can only go slowly and the turtle comes on the display. I ran it all the way down outside of my house once to see what would happen. Had to drive around the block for 1/2 hour to do it! ;D You can see the turtle icon here.
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Post by duncan on Dec 16, 2013 18:25:44 GMT 11
haha good dedication Kris.....5klm outside the front of the house must have taken some time I'm still yet to find the turtle, but have made it home with --- on the gauge a few times
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Post by kris on Dec 21, 2013 15:25:10 GMT 11
Back of the Leaf stinks of petrol at the mo. Dropped in at a bowser with a jerry can to get some fuel for the lawn mower & it dribbled a bit. Weird huh? Nobody even noticed a Leaf parked at a servo.
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Post by Phoebe on Dec 21, 2013 15:27:29 GMT 11
Disappointing on both counts, Kris
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Post by David on Dec 24, 2013 11:31:27 GMT 11
Hi all. Haven't been on the forum for a while. After 15 months ownership and 25K on the clock, I am still getting 130km from full charge with 10-15 on the estimator. so with above --- and turtle mode yet to appear, I guess I could squeeze 150km out, which I am very happy with. Merry Christmas to all and happy new year
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Post by Feng on Dec 24, 2013 12:39:17 GMT 11
Good to see you around Dave! Been wondering how you've been. Have a great Christmas and might catch you around the neigbourhood some time!
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Post by ravolt on Jan 11, 2014 20:47:18 GMT 11
I've just reached week 8 of ownership. I have had no need for a FFB. I have found 3 charge points around the CBD that have given free electickery ( paid parking though ) providing that little boost when I've had an unexpected longer time away from home. Always leaving home with the 80% only charge. It's been a little warm too, 38-44C so aircon used and it is the best aircon I have experienced. With no extra heat coming thru the firewall ( as in petrol car heat byproduct ) and instant cool with no drag on engine power. That said, no woreez range is about 100km from an 80% charge. Average of 0.12 to 0.13 kW/km. that's leaving 10km on the gauge!
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Post by anthony on Feb 11, 2014 12:25:55 GMT 11
Hi all,
We seem to be not getting anywhere near that amount of range, generally on 80% charge we only get about 60 to 70 KMS.
Maybe we have more range left then we think when we are recharging, we generally plug in when the ‘Gasometer’ indicates between 20 and 30 KMS remaining?
We use the A/C on and off, and try to drive economically, I also have the tire pressure at 38 PSI.
Any thoughts?
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Post by gabzimiev on Feb 11, 2014 12:31:47 GMT 11
hilly and average speed ? 50-70 km/h is the sweet spot apparently.
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Post by anthony on Feb 11, 2014 14:28:16 GMT 11
Yes, we do a lot of stop/start short trip driving, I guess just like in ICEs this will effect economy.
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Post by Brian on Feb 11, 2014 20:16:21 GMT 11
That's the sort of range I would expect if you were using ' D ' / drive / sports all the time and enjoying / optimising the acceleration available.
Could it be that your ( ? lead footed ) partner is doing most of the driving ?
If you are using ' Eco ' mode, and going a little easy on the right hand pedal, your range figures would surprise me.
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Post by riddick on Feb 20, 2014 17:22:47 GMT 11
I have noticed that when I start driving the range initially drops very quickly. For example when I drive to the local shops a few hundred meters away, I may lose 3kms off the range. So when I do lots of small trips, it seems to drop off rapidly. On longer trips it seems more stable.
I really miss not having a battery level % indicator like on the new model. Guessing the kms is hard, like trying to guess how long your mobile phone will last.
Also, after an overnight charge, we get wildly different figures. We charge to 80% and get anything between 124kms to 140kms.
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