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Post by chuq on Nov 23, 2018 22:21:03 GMT 11
Hi all, One of our local AEVA members in Hobart has imported a Japanese spec Leaf into Australia - not sure if it's the first in Australia, but definitely the first to Tasmania! He is a Model S owner and passionate renewable energy advocate, and was teaching one of his teenage children basic car maintenance on their petrol car and thought "I'm not getting them into this rubbish!" Basically he started looking in May.. to find that the Leaf (6/2013 TO 9/2017) has been listed on the approved vehicles list only a week earlier. rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/sevsindex.htmDetails below including websites and businesses that he had used: He presented at our Hobart AEVA meeting last week, many questions, if anyone has any then I'll repeat what I can remember or will send this link to him if anyone wants more details.
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Post by Feng on Nov 24, 2018 10:00:35 GMT 11
That's a great deal! I'll ask the big one: How many capacity bars? Does he have any plans on what to do if the battery needs service or replacement? The cool Tassie weather should give it plenty of years.
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Post by wfdTamar on Nov 24, 2018 10:09:44 GMT 11
So those ones being sold for $30,000 on Carsales have a hell of a markup.
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Nov 24, 2018 12:42:08 GMT 11
Most of the $30k ones on carsales have 30kw batteries.
We don't know the auction grade/kms/battery condition of this car but these days it's not possible to get a good car for that kind of money. Leafs in general went up $2-3000 car cost in Japan in the last few months, have a look at auction prices, it seems like everyone wants one since price of fuel went up.
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Post by chuq on Nov 24, 2018 15:31:07 GMT 11
That's a great deal! I'll ask the big one: How many capacity bars? Does he have any plans on what to do if the battery needs service or replacement? The cool Tassie weather should give it plenty of years. Not sure how many bars, but that's a relevant question - he owns a business which installs solar and home batteries. He has all the know how on working with lithium ion batteries of this scale. He doesn't care when the battery deteriorates beyond its usefulness as a vehicle battery - he sees it as a cheap home battery which can be used as a car for a few years first! I'll try to find out the capacity bars.
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Post by rusdy on Nov 26, 2018 12:57:42 GMT 11
Gasp, with this cheaper Leaf gushing to Australian shores, I'd better be mentally prepared for charge rage! The days when the charge bay always empty is numbered!
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 27, 2018 19:00:17 GMT 11
Gasp, with this cheaper Leaf gushing to Australian shores, I'd better be mentally prepared for charge rage! The days when the charge bay always empty is numbered! Just wait until Model 3 arrives next year. It will likely increase the fleet of BEVs in Australia by a factor of 2x - 3x in a matter of months. While Tesla drivers will prefer to use Tesla Superchargers, Telsa also announced that the model here will have a CCS2 socket, meaning Model 3 drivers can use just about any third party fast charging network such as the one being built by NRMA in NSW. So there will be even more competition!
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Post by rusdy on Dec 7, 2018 11:29:31 GMT 11
Most of the $30k ones on carsales have 30kw batteries. We don't know the auction grade/kms/battery condition of this car but these days it's not possible to get a good car for that kind of money. Leafs in general went up $2-3000 car cost in Japan in the last few months, have a look at auction prices, it seems like everyone wants one since price of fuel went up. Dang! I should've snap those early deals before
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 8, 2018 17:25:17 GMT 11
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Post by choco on Dec 10, 2018 13:00:33 GMT 11
Unfortunately I've canned my search for a Leaf - we needed a 2nd vehicle in a hurry. This coincided with the prices shooting up above what out family really wanted to layout. It was probably a blessing in disguise as the broker we chose provided very average service and communication during my short search period, very surprising given their reputation on internet forums for the last decade. They're now ignoring email and my calls go to VM when requesting a refund - they forwarded to me two vehicles of interest during this period, yes only two. I never wanted to be that guy that has a whinge on internet forums about a business but Iron Chef Imports have left a lot to be desired, steer clear!
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Post by johnmath on Dec 12, 2018 23:22:41 GMT 11
Well, we've taken the plunge and bought a Leaf at auction today, or at more correctly Ben at J-Spec has secured it for us. Purchase price was 1,106,000 Yen, or ~AU$13,600. It's a 2016 X spec, 30,000km, 30kWh battery, 12 bars on the battery, Bose sound system, 4-way camera Around View system, attractive aftermarket alloy wheels and LED headlights. It should be under $22,000 delivered and complied. I'll soon be driving guilt free with the excess electrons we can't currently use from our off-grid solar power.
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Post by Feng on Dec 12, 2018 23:38:34 GMT 11
Congrats! You'll love it!
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Post by brunohill on Dec 13, 2018 0:10:51 GMT 11
Well, we've taken the plunge and bought a Leaf at auction today, or at more correctly Ben at J-Spec has secured it for us. Purchase price was 1,106,000 Yen, or ~AU$13,600. It's a 2016 X spec, 30,000km, 30kWh battery, 12 bars on the battery, Bose sound system, 4-way camera Around View system, attractive aftermarket alloy wheels and LED headlights. It should be under $22,000 delivered and complied. I'll soon be driving guilt free with the excess electrons we can't currently use from our off-grid solar power. I will swap you my 2012 Aussie one. ... ... dam it...
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 13, 2018 8:38:33 GMT 11
Well, we've taken the plunge and bought a Leaf at auction today, or at more correctly Ben at J-Spec has secured it for us. Purchase price was 1,106,000 Yen, or ~AU$13,600. It's a 2016 X spec, 30,000km, 30kWh battery, 12 bars on the battery, Bose sound system, 4-way camera Around View system, attractive aftermarket alloy wheels and LED headlights. It should be under $22,000 delivered and complied. I'll soon be driving guilt free with the excess electrons we can't currently use from our off-grid solar power.
congrats but why is the auction grade 1/5 (very bad)? accident damage that wasn't repaired properly?
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Post by johnmath on Dec 13, 2018 12:17:04 GMT 11
congrats but why is the auction grade 1/5 (very bad)? accident damage that wasn't repaired properly?
There is no grade number on the assessment report for the vehicle purchased and I don't know where the 1/5 grade you mentioned came from. The car is graded as: exterior B, interior B, which seems typical for vehicles with an assessment grading of 4.5/5.
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Post by pharmadave on Dec 13, 2018 12:41:21 GMT 11
Well, we've taken the plunge and bought a Leaf at auction today, or at more correctly Ben at J-Spec has secured it for us. Purchase price was 1,106,000 Yen, or ~AU$13,600. It's a 2016 X spec, 30,000km, 30kWh battery, 12 bars on the battery, Bose sound system, 4-way camera Around View system, attractive aftermarket alloy wheels and LED headlights. It should be under $22,000 delivered and complied. I'll soon be driving guilt free with the excess electrons we can't currently use from our off-grid solar power. Congratulations! The specs sound great especially for that price. Please post up some pics once you receive the car. We did register with Ben at J-Spec also but decided to save up some more money and buy a longer range EV as our next EV. Congrats once again and hope you have a smooth ownership process.
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 13, 2018 12:50:53 GMT 11
congrats but why is the auction grade 1/5 (very bad)? accident damage that wasn't repaired properly?
There is no grade number on the assessment report for the vehicle purchased and I don't know where the 1/5 grade you mentioned came from. The car is graded as: exterior B, interior B, which seems typical for vehicles with an assessment grading of 4.5/5. Details from Auction results
Date: 2018/12/12 Number: 45125 Auction: BAYAUC Make: NISSAN Model: LEAF Year: 2016 Engine: 0, c.c. Mileage: 30,000 km. T/M: AT Shift: 2 WD Color: white Chassis: AZE0-207724 Condition: Very-very bad (1) Final: 993,000 JPY (Sold)
Auction sheet shows XX on the front left panel, XX meaning replacement. That auction house grades cars, 7/9 leafs there yesterday had a Grade 4 rating. FYI, a grade 4-4.5 2016 30kw sell for around 1,500,000 JPY.
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Post by johnmath on Dec 13, 2018 19:02:20 GMT 11
Auction sheet shows XX on the front left panel, XX meaning replacement. That auction house grades cars, 7/9 leafs there yesterday had a Grade 4 rating. FYI, a grade 4-4.5 2016 30kw sell for around 1,500,000 JPY.
Front mudguard has been replaced but the inspection showed no evidence of structural damage. Because the car has accident history it automatically gets a 0 grade. The condition for interior and exterior is B and B, which is consistent with a car graded 4.5/5. Japanese are very fussy about any car with a history of accident and hence the low price, but quite frankly that is to my advantage.
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Post by pharmadave on Dec 13, 2018 23:34:40 GMT 11
Auction sheet shows XX on the front left panel, XX meaning replacement. That auction house grades cars, 7/9 leafs there yesterday had a Grade 4 rating. FYI, a grade 4-4.5 2016 30kw sell for around 1,500,000 JPY.
Front mudguard has been replaced but the inspection showed no evidence of structural damage. Because the car has been in an accident it automatically gets a 1 or 0 grade. The condition for interior and exterior is B and B, which is consistent with a car graded 4.5/5. Japanese are very fussy about any car with a history of accident and hence the low price, but quite frankly that is to my advantage. When I spoke with Ben from J-Spec, he mentioned that any signs of structural damage will mean the car cannot be complied for use on roads in Australia. Evidence of minor panel damage/replacement usually isn't a problem. By Ben being confident enough to advise bidding on it means it should be fine. I'm quite confident he and his local agent on the ground in Japan know what the look out for when searching for cars.
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Post by johnmath on Dec 14, 2018 16:38:50 GMT 11
When I spoke with Ben from J-Spec, he mentioned that any signs of structural damage will mean the car cannot be complied for use on roads in Australia. Evidence of minor panel damage/replacement usually isn't a problem. This is what Ben told me: "Our inspector checked the front of the car and we're confident that this is not a significant issue."
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Post by pharmadave on Dec 14, 2018 16:57:07 GMT 11
When I spoke with Ben from J-Spec, he mentioned that any signs of structural damage will mean the car cannot be complied for use on roads in Australia. Evidence of minor panel damage/replacement usually isn't a problem. This is what Ben told me: "Our inspector checked the front of the car and we're confident that this is not a significant issue." Is there an approximate ETA on your car arriving on our shores?
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Post by johnmath on Dec 14, 2018 23:55:05 GMT 11
I haven't discussed an arrival date but it will arrive when it does and that will be somewhat before we take possession. I expect that Xmas / New Year will impact the timing of everything. I am pleased to have purchased a vehicle and pleased that delivery is now in train, but I am not anxious about the specifics of things outside of my control. Be assured however that I'll post about our experiences as they occur.
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Post by deleted on Dec 15, 2018 11:07:57 GMT 11
How to read Japanese auction sheets: prestigemotorsport.com.au/auction-guide/and from j-spec themselves: www.j-spec.com.au/info/Auction-sheets.phpThe overall auction grading system can vary from auction to auction, but as a rough guide: 5 As new condition. There are even higher grades than 5 however they are normally for cars only very recently manufactured (less than 2 years old) 4.5 Excellent condition, no noticeable problems 4 Good condition, possibly the odd scratch or dent but on the whole a quality car not in need of any major attention. Most customers are happy with a grade 4 condition car, and it offers a good compromise between price and minimal sacrifices in condition. That said, grade 4's these days can vary in condition with some being quite good and some being a little substandard (we never just accept that a grade 4 is automatically good), so we take each one on a case by case basis. 3.5 Good condition but possibly needing minor attention, or an otherwise good condition car with one notable problem/imperfection. Some auction houses will mark half a grade off a car if it has very minor accident history, so sometimes a grade 3.5 can be a car still in quite good condition, but this is less common 3 poorer condition, probably needing some repairs or work done to it to bring it up to a level most people would be happy with There are lower grades than these but the quality of cars drops off and we would not recommend them, even most grade 3's we would recommend steering clear of.R Vehicle with previous accident history, indicating the car has been in an accident in the past which has since been repaired. For SEVS imports a car must not have any structural accident history and as such grade R vehicles are often not eligible. Some auction houses have an RA grade, indicating very minor accident history or accident history which has been very well repaired. X, 0
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 15, 2018 12:46:44 GMT 11
Also from the JSPEC website
X, 0 Ungraded. A small number of auction houses will not grade some vehicles (typically older ones) and will recommend they be inspected in person to determine condition. Usually this mean the car has a serious problem or is quite old and the auction house is not willing to take responsibility for the details about the car
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Post by marti on Dec 20, 2018 19:39:33 GMT 11
Currently got a leaf floating over from japan, should be here in under a month. I have never driven one, fingers crossed it was worth buying.
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Post by Feng on Dec 20, 2018 20:45:55 GMT 11
Hi Marti, welcome to the forum. Good luck and enjoy when you get it! What did you get and how much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 22, 2018 19:45:11 GMT 11
posted on the prestige motorsport facebook page
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Post by johnmath on Dec 31, 2018 13:14:03 GMT 11
Update on our import: We bought a 2016 Leaf at auction on 12 December (30kW X-spec with 30,000km, Bose sound system and Around View 4 camera system) and paid for it on 18 December (~AU$13,600) and on 29 December paid for the first part of the compliance cost (application for Vehicle Import Approval and deposit for compliance). Expected landed and complied cost is ~$21,700 according to J-Spec.
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Post by zuuutoootuuu on Dec 31, 2018 20:29:01 GMT 11
Lucky you paid for it just before aud to jpy went down. It shouldn't be much longer before it starts to sail over.
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Post by pharmadave on Dec 31, 2018 23:58:15 GMT 11
Update on our import: We bought a 2016 Leaf at auction on 12 December (30kW X-spec with 30,000km, Bose sound system and Around View 4 camera system) and paid for it on 18 December (~AU$13,600) and on 29 December paid for the first part of the compliance cost (application for Vehicle Import Approval and deposit for compliance). Expected landed and complied cost is ~$21,700 according to J-Spec. You have done well, all the best with the rest of the process. Can't wait to see some pics of the car once you receive it. Sounds like one of the best spec'd models going around.
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