praxidice
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Post by praxidice on Jun 16, 2018 5:30:36 GMT 11
I recently purchased a Type 2 to J1772 and a Tesla to J1772 adaptor from Gelco and found that neither would connect. After a bit of investigation we found that cars intended for the japanese market don't have two pins in the J1772 socket connected. Its apparently still possible to use one of the Tesla to 15 amp 3 pin Australian adaptors with an EVSE, but not the Type 2 to J1772 cable or the Tesla to J1772 adaptor without rewiring the onboard J1772 socket.
My current thoughts are that rather than spend the $500 odd fiddling with the onboard J1772 and another $300 odd on the Type 2 to J1772 cable, I'd be better off putting that money toward a 10kw Setec portable chademo.
Note that Leaf and iMiEV vehicles originally sold by the Australian dealers probably won't have this issue, but private non-dealership imports of iMiEV Minicab, e-NV2000 etc are likely to have the same problem with Type 2 to J1772 and Tesla to J1772. Whether or not privately imported Leaf, iMiEV etc are affected is another question.
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EVtricity
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 16, 2018 22:39:07 GMT 11
This was an issue with some very early imievs in Australia where you could only AC charge them with their own EVSE.
It sounds like you have most of what you need for charging already, namely:
- a Tesla station to 15A socket adaptor
- the original EVSE which can presumably be plugged into an AU 15A socket
All you are missing is a J1772 to 15A socket and you can charge off a 15A socket, Tesla or Mennekes station or public J1772.
Unless you really need fast charging, the Setec at AUD5000 is 15-20 times the cost of a J1772 to 15A adaptor.
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praxidice
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Post by praxidice on Jun 17, 2018 8:09:53 GMT 11
This was an issue with some very early imievs in Australia where you could only AC charge them with their own EVSE. It sounds like you have most of what you need for charging already, namely: - a Tesla station to 15A socket adaptor - the original EVSE which can presumably be plugged into an AU 15A socket All you are missing is a J1772 to 15A socket and you can charge off a 15A socket, Tesla or Mennekes station or public J1772. Unless you really need fast charging, the Setec at AUD5000 is 15-20 times the cost of a J1772 to 15A adaptor.The current issue seems to be a completely different one to the early iMiEV one as I can use any public J1772 point. I have a Tesla to 3 pin adaptor and have confirmed it works on single phase Tesla points and 'probably' also three phase ones. The reason I'm looking at a Setec is that the distances I need to travel occasionally make J1772 charging a painful experience ...,. and yes I do realize that I'm pushing the boundaries of a first generation EV but I cannot afford a Tesla, it doesn't suit my needs anyway, and the 40kw NV2000 is a year or two away. |
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praxidice
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Post by praxidice on Jun 17, 2018 8:29:16 GMT 11
The current issue seems to be a completely different one to the early iMiEV one as I can use any public J1772 point. I have a Tesla to 3 pin adaptor and have confirmed it works on single phase Tesla points and 'probably' also three phase ones. The reason I'm looking at a Setec is that the distances I need to travel occasionally make J1772 charging a painful experience ...,. and yes I do realize that I'm pushing the boundaries of a first generation EV but I cannot afford a Tesla, it doesn't suit my needs anyway, and the 40kw NV2000 is a year or two away.
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EVtricity
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Post by EVtricity on Jun 19, 2018 1:03:25 GMT 11
The current issue seems to be a completely different one to the early iMiEV one as I can use any public J1772 point. I have a Tesla to 3 pin adaptor and have confirmed it works on single phase Tesla points and 'probably' also three phase ones. The reason I'm looking at a Setec is that the distances I need to travel occasionally make J1772 charging a painful experience ...,. and yes I do realize that I'm pushing the boundaries of a first generation EV but I cannot afford a Tesla, it doesn't suit my needs anyway, and the 40kw NV2000 is a year or two away. Sure. If you can use any public J1772 point then you won't be missing two pins in the J1772 socket. Public J1772 stations require a live, ground, neutral, pilot and proximity pins. If any of those pins aren't connected the public J1772 won't provide power to the vehicle. It sounds like it is the slow onboard charger rate that's the issue. I'm not suggesting you buy a Tesla but a heads up that it gets very expensive trying to make an EV with small batteries do long trips. Three or four guys in Australia have bought Setecs to drive long distances in their Leafs. You can ask them on this forum but the novelty of sitting around charging 70% of the time wears off pretty fast. Most short range EV owners accept them for what they are and live within their limitations. Sure you can charge them faster with a Setec and a boot full of adaptors but that's going to cost you $5-7k in extra kit. You can buy second hand Outlander PHEVs for $25k that may work for you until the eNV200, Kangoo van etc comes to Australia. I know it's frustrating not having suitable vehicles in Australia but I have a Zero motorcycle that I've built fast chargers and adaptors to travel longer distances so I know exactly the time and cost involved in pushing the range limits of 100km EVs as well as helping the Setec owners in their long distance pursuits. Support from Setec is slow if you have any issues and you want to go into that purchase with your eyes wide open. A DC fast charger for an imiev van may be the only way to go for your needs. Perhaps Mitsubishi forums might have some other suggestions such as dual or 6.6kW AC chargers that would give you similar charge times at lower cost. |
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Post by praxidice on Jun 19, 2018 8:17:21 GMT 11
I tried the Gelco type two to J1772, and Tesla to Ji772 cables. The charge indicator on the dash flashed for 10 - 15 seconds then disappeared. Bob from Gelco told me he has encountered that issue with other private imports and it was caused by missing pins. Others have since disagreed. I got around the Tesla destination charger business with a Tesla to 15 amp 3 pin adaptor, but relying on the existing toy onboard charger, I'm still looking at a six hour trip between home and Brisbane (120 kilometers) with two recharges on the way. There is supposed to be a 50kw Chademo at Helensvale as part of the Electric Highway but its on hold til later this year, and the chademo that used to be at Brisbane BMW died and has been removed. Yarrabilba housing estate is a possibility (has a chademo) but it won't get me home without an hour on the generator, and it won't get me to Brisbane without a top up somewhere. A couple more 50kw chademos would do the trick, but unfortunately Queensland is as always stuck in the dark ages.
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Post by stewartm on Jun 20, 2018 5:15:34 GMT 11
Don't usually take issue with opinion, but I must on the last comment.
Queensland with the charger highway up the coast is the most progressive state in Australia regarding EVs.
The government, ignoring colour, is also committed to changing its government fleet to EVs.
A number of people on this forum and also through AEVA, have lobbied the Qld government and various ministers to get what we have today.
I am aware that they are adding another 50% of fast chargers in the upcoming budget.
I don't think this represents dark ages. And I usually vote conservative...
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Post by EVangelist on Jun 21, 2018 20:44:53 GMT 11
No, when it comes to renewable energy and EVs, New South Wales is the Luddite. Absolutely exasperating.
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Post by markrmarkr on Jun 21, 2018 20:55:23 GMT 11
As far as I can see Queensland is the only state where the government has actually done something. If anything Queensland is the most progressive state in the country. Sheesh!
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Post by brunohill on Jun 22, 2018 9:53:45 GMT 11
I would be happy with just the use of a 10 amp power point ( and paying for the power) here in country Victoria. But why should they? People might then expect them to supply petrol I am told.
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Post by rusdy on Jun 22, 2018 12:56:45 GMT 11
As far as I can see Queensland is the only state where the government has actually done something. If anything Queensland is the most progressive state in the country. Sheesh! Meanwhile, I can't help but notice to see the greener side of our neighbour in NZ (can be literal my guess). Their policy in EV and the number of chargers there... well, makes any state in Australia a Luddite.  PS: but yes, let's give praise where its due. QLD gov definitely the most advance to date when it comes to this charger support. WA is way ahead in deploying fast chargers, but that was due to huge effort from local AEVA and then financed by RAC. Top notch guys! |
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Post by empowerrepower on Jun 22, 2018 17:02:14 GMT 11
Yes, good on the Qld government for doing something about EV charging. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with EV fleet vehicles. Some Zoe cars would made great small government fleet vehicles.
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