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Post by Phoebe on Feb 4, 2018 20:01:42 GMT 11
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Post by EVangelist on Feb 5, 2018 19:20:30 GMT 11
One to sell or one to look at?  |
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Post by Phoebe on Feb 5, 2018 20:07:15 GMT 11
Look at, and put in an order, I think.
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Post by Phoebe on Feb 6, 2018 15:08:34 GMT 11
They seem to have changed their mind - may not have any by June.
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Post by chuq on Feb 6, 2018 16:27:06 GMT 11
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Post by stewartm on Feb 7, 2018 20:51:13 GMT 11
Emigrating later this year to France, will be replacing my leaf there with the new one.
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Post by ravolt on Feb 11, 2018 11:40:06 GMT 11
Sounding like between mid-July and mid-August 2018 which is pretty specific. This will define the 40kWh as the 60kWh is touted at year's end. Folks I know are very content with the 40kWh. The English website has huge accessory choice. I guess it is close to the manufacturing plant. www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf.html |
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Post by EVangelist on Feb 13, 2018 13:43:42 GMT 11
Telsa have revised their Model 3 delivery estimates for the third time since the first cars were delivered in July last year. And for the first of those three times, the delivery estimates for Australia have been changed, from "early 2019" to just "2019". The wait for Model 3 will now be more than 3 years and possibly as much as 3.75 years.
So the new Leaf will almost certainly arrive on these shores before Model 3 will, and there's a good chance the long range Leaf will too.
That might cause some Model 3 reservers to reconsider their position. Although for long distance driving, the Supercharger network is very compelling, as is the very low battery pack degradation rate reported by Tesla owners. Model 3 will replace my primary car, so ability to travel those longer distances is a critical factor in my decision, as well as pack longevity. I'll probably end up waiting but golly Tesla is testing my patience.
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Post by alison on Apr 6, 2018 16:50:06 GMT 11
Got a call today from Sydney City saying they are coming "earlier" than expected, which when questioned she said meant late 2018. So not June they were claiming at the top of this thread.
She wanted me to be excited that it wouldn't be 2019, but to be fair promised to keep me in the loop as Australian pricing and specs were confirmed.
No way I'd buy a 40kWh model until I see proof that the degradation in our 47 deg summer days won't be an issue like the 30kWh seems to have.
60kWh with active cooling maybe a better bet.
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Post by Jim Hare on May 18, 2018 11:33:07 GMT 11
When Feng and I were at the LEAF launch in Japan the Australians always said it would likely be around October/November 2018 so sounds like it's right on schedule, not late.
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Post by craggles on May 26, 2018 14:01:02 GMT 11
Had my 20k service at Moorooka Nissan and Mark told me they are expecting the new model in September. He had no information on pricing, though.
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Post by alison on May 28, 2018 15:16:13 GMT 11
Nissan just emailed the address I have registered with them for Leaf news, with the subject "Alison, we’re ready to reveal our latest news".
What is this latest news I hear you ask?
"NISSAN X-TRAIL. WORLD’S BEST-SELLING SUV
The Nissan X-TRAIL was the world’s best-selling SUV in 2017, according to global automotive market sales data."
Great work Nissan Australia, you really get this stuff don't you.
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Post by EVangelist on May 29, 2018 23:59:15 GMT 11
Nissan just emailed the address I have registered with them for Leaf news, with the subject "Alison, we’re ready to reveal our latest news". What is this latest news I hear you ask? "NISSAN X-TRAIL. WORLD’S BEST-SELLING SUV The Nissan X-TRAIL was the world’s best-selling SUV in 2017, according to global automotive market sales data." Great work Nissan Australia, you really get this stuff don't you. Yes but if you scroll to the end of that email there is a short item on the new LEAF: NEW NISSAN LEAF – BE THE FIRST TO KNOW
We are excited to announce the global reveal of the world’s best‑selling electric vehicle, the new Nissan LEAF. Register your interest to keep up to date with its arrival in Australia.I'll post a separate thread about it. |
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Post by Feng on Mar 8, 2019 8:50:48 GMT 11
www.caradvice.com.au/733017/2019-nissan-leaf-pricing/No surprises, it's officially $49,990, available in one high spec model only. Curiously there's a comment by Nissan on their Facebook page saying they'll be launching it at the end of this month but the CarAdvice article says it'll be here in August.
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Post by craggles on Mar 8, 2019 11:37:56 GMT 11
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Post by Feng on Mar 8, 2019 11:45:45 GMT 11
They've just posted a new separate post saying it'll be here in August instead. Makes more sense since there's not much news about the dealer network that'll be supporting it.
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Post by craggles on Mar 8, 2019 12:07:34 GMT 11
They've just posted a new separate post saying it'll be here in August instead. Makes more sense since there's not much news about the dealer network that'll be supporting it. Some mixed messages going on. |
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Post by pharmadave on Mar 8, 2019 15:37:02 GMT 11
That's relatively sharp pricing as it equates to around $35k USD before onroads for a car which is pretty close to the SL spec in the US.
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Post by pharmadave on Mar 8, 2019 18:33:12 GMT 11
Just got an invitation to re-order.  I will not be pre-ordering. |
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Post by jacky on Mar 8, 2019 22:45:22 GMT 11
Just got an invitation to re-order. I will not be pre-ordering. Me too! I wonder who will pay this price when Model 3 base model available in Australia. Tesla has supercharging network which makes their car much better even compare with other EVs with similar range. |
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Post by pharmadave on Mar 8, 2019 22:56:26 GMT 11
Just got an invitation to re-order. I will not be pre-ordering. Me too! I wonder who will pay this price when Model 3 base model available in Australia. Tesla has supercharging network which makes their car much better even compare with other EVs with similar range. Can definitely vouch for the Supercharger network, drove from Melbourne to Sydney and back again seamlessly. Well chosen charging locations and always something to eat/drink and go bathroom nearby. With Supercharger v3 just announced with 250kw peak charging speed, it’s extending the lead even further. |
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Post by empowerrepower on Mar 8, 2019 22:59:54 GMT 11
Hmmm, none of us really know how much the Model 3 will cost in Australia, and some potential purchasers may decide that a bird in the hand (a Leaf) is better than one in the bush that may only be available in 2020. Also, those without a Model 3 deposit from years back will be at the end of the list when they finally arrive.
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Post by pharmadave on Mar 9, 2019 0:30:17 GMT 11
I normally refer to the Canadian pricing of Tesla to get an indication of Australian pricing.
Previously the AUD to CAD rate was approx 1:1 now the CAD is a bit stronger than AUD.
As an example the Model S P100D is $132k CAD and is currently listed as $136.9K AUD (before on roads - on roads includes the luxury car tax in Australia)
Currently the exchange rate between CAD and AUD is 0.95....so $132k CAD is actually $138.9k AUD.
Based those observations, the CAD price of the no frills standard range Model 3 is $46,700 CAD which would indicate the AUD price is $49,150.00 or around the price of the 40kWh Nissan Leaf. No luxury car tax on this one since it's below the threshold.
A Tesla insider mentioned there was just over 8k pre-orders for the Model 3, Tesla historically like to make cars in batches i.e. this week/s for RHD versions the 8k demand will be pretty easy to satisfy, their currently production rate is around 6000 per week.
Only thing with that is Tesla tends to bring out the more expensive higher margin models first such as the Performance 3 and the long range models. Best range per $ is the long range rear wheel drive which is priced around $60k CAD so should be around $60k AUD for 520km of range and 250kw peak charging rate.
Please take my analysis and interpretation with a big grain of salt, Tesla does what they please. (i.e. drop their P100D Model S price by $80k without warning haha)
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Post by jacky on Mar 9, 2019 7:15:43 GMT 11
Me too! I wonder who will pay this price when Model 3 base model available in Australia. Tesla has supercharging network which makes their car much better even compare with other EVs with similar range. Can definitely vouch for the Supercharger network, drove from Melbourne to Sydney and back again seamlessly. Well chosen charging locations and always something to eat/drink and go bathroom nearby. With Supercharger v3 just announced with 250kw peak charging speed, it’s extending the lead even further. From the v3 announcement, I can see how much better the BMS design in the Model 3 is compared to other EVs on the market. It can handle 250kW power without rapid gating. On the contrary, the new LEAF has rapid gate issues. Even after Nissan claim they have fixed it, people still experiences it. I understand the passive cooling design was to lower the cost of the car so that it can be affordable (which the A in LEAF meant). But the price they announced isn’t ready that affordable. The design is now a way to improve profit margin. The passive cooling also made the LEAF to have high battery degradation. In my own calculations, the price of the base Model 3 will be a bit more than the 40kW LEAF but it will have supercharger, less battery degradation and longer battery life. I would pay a bit more but save the money on battery replacement. Btw, asking for a battery replacement from Nissan Australia is like bagging for their mercy even it is within the battery warranty. If you need a new battery a few months or more outside of your battery warranty, they will ask for a ridiculous price. A well maintained LEAF may be forced to retire just because the battery is degraded. This is not environmental friendly. This is a LEAF owner forum. I was trying to avoid putting negative comments on the LEAF. But the recent hardware design in the new LEAF and the services I received from Nissan Australia made me feel Nissan is losing in the EV competition and I am reluctant to recommend the LEAF to my friends. |
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Post by brunohill on Mar 9, 2019 13:54:01 GMT 11
I might sit on the fence with this one. It may be interesting how things turn out a few years down the road. The rapid gating is all in the software programming. It is a decision by the maker on what is the best compromise, Safety, battery life or convenience. As Teslas are going to come out with smaller batteries than they have before, they are going to be cycled deeper than they have before, they are going to be charged harder than they ever have before and their chemistry is more volatile than the LEAF. Things may change in the future. OK they have battery cooling that can cool the outside of the batteries very quickly (and that is what the temperature probes read) but they will heat the inside of the batteries a lot faster than they can cool them, probably more so than a Tesla has before. So this is where you guess if you throttle back the charging to extend battery life, and in Teslas case prevent the risk of fire.
With the Nissan LEAF it is the opposite. They know the limits of of the heat degradation by using us as an experiment. The difference between the measured outside battery temperature and the inside battery temperature will be less because of the different cell structure that transfers heat more efficiently and possibly therefore BETTER BMS control. Their batteries have never been bigger and therefore the cycles have never been shallower and they may not get "Super Charged " as often.
Perhaps the new Nissan batteries are built smarter rather than cheaper.
It may be six of one and half a dozen of the other.
I think Nissan should give me a new LEAF for free after that.
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Post by brunohill on Mar 9, 2019 14:25:10 GMT 11
Perhaps the Hyundai Kona is even smarter, it uses the best of both battery designs
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Post by jacky on Mar 9, 2019 15:21:50 GMT 11
I might sit on the fence with this one. It may be interesting how things turn out a few years down the road. The rapid gating is all in the software programming. It is a decision by the maker on what is the best compromise, Safety, battery life or convenience. As Teslas are going to come out with smaller batteries than they have before, they are going to be cycled deeper than they have before, they are going to be charged harder than they ever have before and their chemistry is more volatile than the LEAF. Things may change in the future. OK they have battery cooling that can cool the outside of the batteries very quickly (and that is what the temperature probes read) but they will heat the inside of the batteries a lot faster than they can cool them, probably more so than a Tesla has before. So this is where you guess if you throttle back the charging to extend battery life, and in Teslas case prevent the risk of fire. With the Nissan LEAF it is the opposite. They know the limits of of the heat degradation by using us as an experiment. The difference between the measured outside battery temperature and the inside battery temperature will be less because of the different cell structure that transfers heat more efficiently and possibly therefore BETTER BMS control. Their batteries have never been bigger and therefore the cycles have never been shallower and they may not get "Super Charged " as often. Perhaps the new Nissan batteries are built smarter rather than cheaper. It may be six of one and half a dozen of the other. I think Nissan should give me a new LEAF for free after that. Battery size isn’t the only factor on the number of cycles used for a distance travelled. It also depends on the efficiency of the vehicle (i.e., kWh/km). Model 3 may have a smaller battery than Model S/X on the base model but it has much better energy efficiency. Not sure if you meant the Tesla battery has higher chance of starting a fire than the Nissan battery. I think it all depends on the safety measures in the design of the car. Heat do not start a fire in the battery. It is the structural damages or a fault developed inside the cell that cause a short circuit in the cell and the energy releases in a very short period of time and thus started a fire. Of course, it will cause a fire if the temperature is super high and it melt the casing of the battery. However, I remember that only happened when there is a fire in other cells and the fire caused physical damage to the cells around like a chain reaction. The chemistry of the cell may make the fire more difficult to put out if the chemical will generate oxygen during the combustion process. But it has nothing to do with starting a fire. The heat affects the battery degradation and it is well known. If the temperature of the battery was carefully controlled during the charge and discharge, the degradation can be kept in the minimal. The number of cycles used in the battery will be a factor of the degradation but not the only factor. From the statistics collected from Tesla owners, there is a very high chance the battery will have 5% or less degradation in 10 years. Remember Tesla owners tends to drive much longer distance and very high power super-charging. Tesla pushes their battery to the limit in Super Charging for many years and they also have owner energy products with batteries. I don’t think it make logical sense if you told me Tesla didn’t understand their battery as much as Nissan does on theirs. People doing EV conversion will tell you Tesla batteries has the best energy density and they prefer Tesla batteries in their jobs. For the LEAF, we heard high battery degradation reported on 1st Gen, 2nd Gen and 30kW LEAF. I don’t see how we can conclude Nissan’s battery is smarter. If they do, we should have a better battery degradation and last longer. Maybe we should say Nissan is smarter in running their business. At the end, it doesn’t matter whether the battery is smart or not. It is the buyer’s preference. If you ask me to choose between paying a bit less upfront but have to pay a lot more 5-6 years later and paying a bit more upfront but don’t have to worry about the battery degradation for the next 10 years or the life of the vehicle. I will pay a bit more upfront. |
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Post by jacky on Mar 9, 2019 15:28:05 GMT 11
Perhaps the Hyundai Kona is even smarter, it uses the best of both battery designs Not sure what you meant by it uses the best of both battery designs? Kona uses active cooling. In US, it doesn’t have battery heating but it does have the heating in other countries. insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-evs-thermal-management-system-explained/If you search for “cooling” on that page, there are people asked if they have active cooling and the answer was yes. AFAIK, only Nissan and VW e-golf does not use active cooling. |
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Post by brunohill on Mar 9, 2019 18:16:47 GMT 11
I just thought Nissan would be more experienced with smaller batteries and heat degradation than Tesla, but maybe I am wrong.
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Post by empowerrepower on Mar 9, 2019 18:19:43 GMT 11
Particularly given that Australia just had its hottest ever summer, and we'll have more extreme heat in the future, I feel that battery cooling systems are one of the most important aspects to think about in choosing an EV. This is of course somewhat difficult in the Australian context with such limited choices.
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