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Post by Phoebe on Nov 11, 2017 17:34:36 GMT 11
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 18, 2017 10:40:36 GMT 11
I've posted this on the Tesla Model 3 Forum. It will generate some polarised debate I'm sure, there's an element on that board that mocks everything non-Tesla. To me, all BEV success should be celebrated - that's what Elon Musk want to see. It's unfortunate that some of his disciples don't behave the same way.
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Post by pharmadave on Nov 18, 2017 11:29:55 GMT 11
I've posted this on the Tesla Model 3 Forum. It will generate some polarised debate I'm sure, there's an element on that board that mocks everything non-Tesla. To me, all BEV success should be celebrated - that's what Elon Musk want to see. It's unfortunate that some of his disciples don't behave the same way. I have found that to be the case also. Many Tesla fans are Teslas or nothing. Maybe it's a money/ego thing?
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Post by rusdy on Nov 20, 2017 11:51:46 GMT 11
... To me, all BEV success should be celebrated - that's what Elon Musk want to see. It's unfortunate that some of his disciples don't behave the same way. ... Maybe it's a money/ego thing? Yup, tribalism affects everybody! Although I wish belongs to Tesla tribe...
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Post by alison on Nov 20, 2017 16:22:25 GMT 11
I'm coming to view the (old, at least) Leaf as a poor-man''s Tesla. With such terrible support from Nissan Australia, and most things working like a legacy ICE car (eg. static navigation content and features, no replacement pricing for battery, broken Carwings, hounded by Nissan to buy the new Pathfinder, etc.) then it's quite a different proposition to Tesla ownership where they only produce EVs, with more "normal" driving range, and only think new.
But that doesn't make the Leaf invalid. For starters, it's now in the $20k range (if you can find one), which is what I usually spend on cars. I realise many other people spend $50-60k, and that's fine if you can afford it. For approx 2-3x money you get a better all-round experience, and >100km range.
Once I can get a used Tesla 3 for $20-30k I will without question.
If I did want to spend $50-60k on a car and was choosing between a 2018 Leaf and a Tesla 3? No question - Tesla, mainly due to the company ethos and support. Nissan would have to have something outstanding like double the range of the Tesla to make me even consider it.
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Post by EVangelist on Nov 22, 2017 18:26:36 GMT 11
If I did want to spend $50-60k on a car and was choosing between a 2018 Leaf and a Tesla 3? No question - Tesla, mainly due to the company ethos and support. Nissan would have to have something outstanding like double the range of the Tesla to make me even consider it. And don't forget the Tesla Supercharging network, which is rarely out of order, and pumps twice the kW of Chademo. That's why I'm prepared to ditch ICE completely with Model 3.
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Post by alison on Nov 23, 2017 11:59:41 GMT 11
You're right - in our country especially that makes Tesla a viable option for more than just suburban travel. I know QLD is building a quick-charge network, and there are murmurings from NRMA in NSW, but that will never compare to a company like Tesla who have no legacy business models or fossil corporate mates to prop up. The more chargers Tesla install, the more money they make through car sales. That isn't true for NRMA who I can't see continuing it for the long-haul as most of their members drive ICE cars and will for many years, or the QLD government who may never even finish the current plans depending on election outcomes, let alone expand. Meanwhile Nissan has slow chargers at some of their dealers, during their business hours. Beyond that good luck!
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Post by Feng on Nov 23, 2017 12:42:56 GMT 11
There were some pretty negative comments on Facebook when NRMA announced their charging network. Some members took issue over it because their membership fees were going towards something they can't use. So backwards thinking!
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Post by empowerrepower on Nov 23, 2017 15:35:53 GMT 11
You're right - in our country especially that makes Tesla a viable option for more than just suburban travel. I know QLD is building a quick-charge network, and there are murmurings from NRMA in NSW, but that will never compare to a company like Tesla who have no legacy business models or fossil corporate mates to prop up. The more chargers Tesla install, the more money they make through car sales. That isn't true for NRMA who I can't see continuing it for the long-haul as most of their members drive ICE cars and will for many years, or the QLD government who may never even finish the current plans depending on election outcomes, let alone expand. Meanwhile Nissan has slow chargers at some of their dealers, during their business hours. Beyond that good luck! The Qld Electric Highway is contracted to be finished by December, so should proceed regardless of the election outcome.
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Post by alison on Nov 23, 2017 16:59:37 GMT 11
I agree - it "should". My point is more that Tesla's network isn't subject to such political influence based on voter/non-EV-driving-shareholder views.
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Post by jacky on Nov 24, 2017 7:01:33 GMT 11
I agree - it "should". My point is more that Tesla's network isn't subject to such political influence based on voter/non-EV-driving-shareholder views. I agree. In fact, the supercharger network ties to the success (I would say survival) of Tesla's EV business. They will spend on the network without cutting corners or going through debates.
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Post by stewartm on Nov 24, 2017 10:20:22 GMT 11
Yes they are popping up regularly, I see Bowen on plug share yesterday. Attached is the letter back from the Queensland Government
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